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Message 14 of 122 (822683)
10-31-2017 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Faith
10-31-2017 9:52 AM


Faith writes:
There IS a conspiracy, a gigantic many-tentacledd conspiracy to bring down Trump.
Reporting the truth is not a conspiracy.
I recently was treated to the early morning CBS "news" at a relative's home and it was a continuous stream of anti-Trump commentary masquerading as news. I hadn't known until then it was that bad, I mean it was continuous, nonstop. I finally had to leave the room.
Has it ever crossed your mind that bad presidents get criticized by people in the press?

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Message 24 of 122 (822702)
10-31-2017 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Faith
10-31-2017 3:07 PM


Re: One reasonable leftist voice
Faith writes:
Right. Such as by fulfilling the promises he made to those who voted him into office so that the views of his defeated opponents can prevail although they were voted out. Yup. That's the idea exactly.
Trump promised that everyone would be covered under a Republican health care plan, deductibles would be lower, and the coverage would be better. The bill that Trump wanted passed kicked people off of coverage, raised deductibles, and decreased what the insurance would cover. How is that fulfilling a promise?

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Message 25 of 122 (822703)
10-31-2017 3:19 PM
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10-31-2017 3:16 PM


Faith writes:
True, but fake news may well be a conspiracy. And that's the question here isn't it?
The problem is that you call it fake news for simply reporting on stuff that is shows Trump in a bad light, and that is what Trump does as well.
But never before has the media nonstop attacked, vilified, and twisted facts about a President before this.
Did you ever watch Fox News during the Obama years? Seriously?
It showed some huge percentage of Trump reports to be negative.. I didn't need that study to know that, but perhaps some here could make use of the information.
Just like most reports on Bill Cosby are negative as of recently. Has it ever occurred to you that reports are negative because Trump is a bad president?

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Message 28 of 122 (822706)
10-31-2017 3:32 PM
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10-31-2017 3:30 PM


Faith writes:
Fox News? ONE anti-President channel is NOTHING to the total anti-Trump blackout blitz of all the automatically public media. And now Fox is mostly one of the anti-Trump chorus anyway.
The biggest cable news channel blasted Bill Clinton and Obama for their entire terms, and you pretend that criticisms of Trump are a new thing. Sorry, but not buying it.
Also, you are saying the press is wrong for simply criticizing the president. That shows a lot of bias.
The question is why it hasn't occurred to YOU and many others here that you're actually getting fake news and not the truth. THAT is the real question.
I can't take that question seriously because you claim anything critical of Trump is fake news simply for being critical.

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Message 34 of 122 (822717)
10-31-2017 5:05 PM
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10-31-2017 3:35 PM


Faith writes:
Somebody in government or the public somewhere will give an extreme negative opinion of something Trump did and the media will pick it up and "report" it as if it's the truth.
If somebody with expertise in government and policy does criticize the president for doing badly, then it is the truth that this person has that opinion. Is the press not allowed to cite the opinions of experts?

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Message 38 of 122 (822724)
10-31-2017 5:38 PM
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10-31-2017 5:11 PM


Faith writes:
In this case IMO a very rare eruption of the truth occurred in the midst of leftist propaganda and since greed motivates having a "content partner" of course it's fair to say greed in this case is the cause.
Your opinion is wrong as shown by the fact that Mueller was given clear authority to charge people with crimes that were uncovered as part of his investigation.
If a police officer is trying to bust someone with a meth lab, do you think the police officer is just going to ignore dead bodies laying around the meth lab because he wasn't given the task of investigating murders? The same applies to Mueller. It beggars belief that he would be asked to ignore crimes that he uncovers during his investigation.
Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

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Message 55 of 122 (822756)
11-01-2017 11:06 AM
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10-31-2017 6:16 PM


Faith writes:
Funny how leftists never suspect that some facts have been arranged to support the leftist narrative. Of course there are elements of truth involved, no good conspiracy could do without them. Read the OP again.
I did read it. It is a bunch of either false or unverified allegations. Crying "Clinton" or "Fake News" every time something inconvenient comes out in public isn't going to work. All it does is make Trump look guilty when he tries these underhanded tactics.

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Message 66 of 122 (822773)
11-01-2017 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Faith
11-01-2017 11:44 AM


Faith writes:
You've bought the party line, that's all. The fact is that the whole Trump-Russia story was invented to cover Clinton, it's entirely fake news from beginning to end. The so-called "alt-right" has been saying this for a year at least. It may not "work," of course, as you say, since the truth is often a casualty where powerful people have the means to suppress it.
Then show me how those allegations are backed by evidence.
Also, show us where Mueller is ordered to investigate Clinton in the mandate he was given by the justice department.
Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

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Message 67 of 122 (822774)
11-01-2017 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Faith
11-01-2017 12:13 PM


Re: The Flaherty Piece Examined Paragraph by Paragraph
Faith writes:
It's been discussed to death for a year now with all the evidence you could ask for, by hundreds of voices of the suppressed "alt-right" media. Flaherty is merely affirming what they all have been saying all that time.
Repeating opinions does not make them facts.

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Message 73 of 122 (822784)
11-01-2017 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Faith
11-01-2017 12:54 PM


Re: The Flaherty Piece Examined Paragraph by Paragraph
Faith writes:
However, as I said, the evidence has been covered over the last year, starting with the fact that there is absolutely NO evidence of any collusion between Trump and Russia, along with one phony disgusting "dossier" against Trump invented by Democrats, followed by the fact that there's plenty of evidence of Clinton's Russia collusion. You won't find out any of that if all you read is the leftist press.
Then show me the evidence instead of just alluding to it.

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Message 93 of 122 (822822)
11-01-2017 6:04 PM


Clinton Should Get Her Money Back
If Clinton "colluded with Russia" then she should get her money back. What did she get out of the deal? Unflattering emails were stolen from the DNC by Russian state sponsored hackers which were released through Wikileaks. Russian state sponsored propagandists spread fake news stories across social media that were targeted to specific voting precincts in order to help Donald win. Is this what it should look like if Clinton was colluding with Russia to influence the election?

  
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Message 99 of 122 (822835)
11-02-2017 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by NoNukes
11-02-2017 10:18 AM


Re: Fake Or Real? How To Tell? Look at the evidence.
NoNukes writes:
We are extremely lucky to have a resident poster who is unwilling or unable to hide their thought processes as they form or endorse one ridiculous opinion after another.
I concur in a very non-sarcastic sense. Many of us wonder how someone can be taken in by these unfounded conspiracy theories, and it is very educational to have someone who can help us understand that process.

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Message 116 of 122 (823154)
11-06-2017 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by Faith
11-03-2017 11:14 PM


Faith writes:
Just more and more evidence of the Great Polarization in American politics. Half the country knows Trump did not collude with Russia but that Clinton did; the other half thinks the opposite. I pray that God will finally biing the undeniable truth to light.
I am still fascinated by the underlying psychology that allows people to say such things.

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Message 117 of 122 (823155)
11-06-2017 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Faith
11-04-2017 12:14 PM


Faith writes:
The lies are on the Left, just showing another bit of the usual polarization. If the investigator is a fraud as Flaherty says he is, it is not smearing him to say so.
We already showed that the accusations against Clinton are false, so why do you continue to act as if they are true? Do you just plug your ears and cover your eyes and hope these facts will go away?

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Message 120 of 122 (823167)
11-06-2017 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Faith
11-06-2017 4:02 PM


Faith writes:
I don't accept the claim about Clinton's innocence. But when I opened this thread I said I knew I wasn't up on all the information involved. I continue to believe that the true facts are as I stated there, and pray that God will bring out all the truth soon.
You were already shown the truth, and you still refuse to accept it because it contradicts your beliefs. For example, the dossier was contracted through a US firm and used a UK national and former MI6 agent as one of its sources. How in the world is that "colluding with Russia"? Can you explain that?

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