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xongsmith
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Message 16 of 22 (822560)
10-27-2017 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by ringo
10-27-2017 11:36 AM


Re: Show Me The Money
Ringo writes

I pay nothing.

But isn't there something included the taxes?


- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 17 of 22 (822561)
10-27-2017 1:06 PM
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10-27-2017 12:59 PM


Re: Show Me The Money
xongsmith writes:

But isn't there something included the taxes?


Of course healthcare is paid for by taxes. But there's no direct connection between the healthcare and the payment. You can pay taxes your whole life and never need the healthcare, or you can receive the healthcare without ever having paid taxes.
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Message 18 of 22 (822568)
10-27-2017 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by RAZD
10-26-2017 4:26 PM


Re: Show Me The Money -- the return on investment
RAZD writes:

We already pay for healthcare, in a weird way -- through your employer via deductions from your paycheck (unless you are self insured). Why should your employer have a say in what kind of health insurance you get?

I wonder if people would look at it differently if they viewed their employer paid healthcare not as a benefit but as a deduction from their wages.

Some American's obsession with taxes has really led to some bad logic in some arenas. Let's take this scenario:

Scenario A: pay 10,000 in taxes and 6,000 in health insurance.
Scenario B: pay 13,000 in taxes and nothing in health insurance.

Some Americans would look at those scenarios and claim that Scenario A is better because it has lower taxes. I kid you not.


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Message 19 of 22 (822570)
10-28-2017 7:49 AM
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10-27-2017 5:13 PM


Re: Show Me The Money -- the return on investment
Scenario A: pay 10,000 in taxes and 6,000 in health insurance.
Scenario B: pay 13,000 in taxes and nothing in health insurance.

Some Americans would look at those scenarios and claim that Scenario A is better because it has lower taxes. ...

Scenario B is socialism/communism/etc while scenario A is good ol capitalism ... which makes it better ...

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Message 20 of 22 (822573)
10-28-2017 8:18 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Taq
10-27-2017 5:13 PM


Re: Show Me The Money -- the return on investment
Not a new problem but the cure is to add Connecticut Yankee to the required reading list for the fifth or sixth grade.

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Message 21 of 22 (822579)
10-28-2017 11:24 AM
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10-28-2017 8:18 AM


Re: Show Me The Money -- the return on investment
It will likely take more than reading mark twain to fix this generation. Text messaging and cellphone "addiction" are rampant, as is the usual suspects of infotainment, the lifestyle of the parents, as well as the emphasis on education. 5th and 6th graders do seem to have good reading lists, however....

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Message 22 of 22 (822819)
11-01-2017 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Phat
10-26-2017 5:35 PM


Re: Show Me The Money
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Well right now I have a $500.00 yearly deductable and pay $20.00 a month. If they mess with it, I will likely spend more money.

Don't forget the copays.

ObamaCare has a silver plan where you pay 12% of your income and get 80% of covered expenses in the coverage (minus the deductibles and assuming you go to an approved doctor in the network) with a certain amount of deductibles. The Bronze plan has a $6000 deductible and just 60% coverage after you pay the first $6000 out of pocket (plus the 6% tax or "premium").

Remember the co-pay issue.

20% (after premiums and deductibles) in the Silver plan.

40% in the Bronze plan. (only after you pay 100% of the first $6000 and EVEN IF THOSE ARE COPVERED EXPENSES)


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