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Author | Topic: Newsweek: Hillary Clinton Robbed Bernie Sanders Of The Democratic Nomination, Accordi | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2
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The news is lighting up. I can't even find stories that were at the top of the list just an hour ago. I wanted to find the fist one I saw but can't.
Here is one. Hillary Clinton Robbed Bernie Sanders Of The Democratic Nomination, According to Donna Brazile By Greg Price On 11/2/17 at 9:09 AM Hillary Clinton Robbed Bernie Sanders Of The Democratic Nomination, According to Donna Brazile Wow. What an admission.
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AdminPhat Inactive Member |
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AdminPhat Inactive Member |
ok lets go with coffee house. You dont need PNT to put these topics in coffee house, by the way.
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AdminPhat Inactive Member |
Thread copied here from the Newsweek: Hillary Clinton Robbed Bernie Sanders Of The Democratic Nomination, Accordi thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Wow. What an admission.p Indeed, and in light of the recent purging of the DNC of Bernie supporters, it will be interesting to see how this plays out. It is time for Hillary to go. It is time for the DNC "elite" to go. It is time for neolib democrats to go It is time for DINO's to go It is time for the superdelegates to be relegated to the history of bad ideas ... preventing a popular candidate from winning the primary process ... It is time for either the democrat party to die or to be reborn in a progressive mode, representing working people again. Or it will be replaced. And they better get their act together ... 2018 is just around the corner. Progressives are winning primaries, local elections, filling democrat town committees, Working Families Party is winning local level positions -- mayors etc. The Democratic Socialist party membership has exploded with new members. People are looking for alternatives. It is coming. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Razd:
quote: I think I was called a conspiracy nut (by NoNukes?) during the debate over the DNC deck stacking. From Vox
quote: There has been near total confirmation of the fears from "conspiracy nuts" like myself. Sanders not only was robbed of the Democratic nomination, but all this crap laid the groundwork for an election that eventually got us Donald Trump. And that wasn't all that happened in the end. The same exact November 2016 day that saw Trump defeat Hillary also came with a monumental day for Republican Senate candidates. Don't forget that the basic arithmetic of the (33) seats up in 2016 demanded that there would be enough victorious Democrats so that there was at least an even 50 to 50 breakdown in the larger body of 100 in the Senate. Instead we got a 52 to 48 GOP majority. Don't forget the Senate. Now we need to rely on an increasingly radical GOP Senate to refuse the policies of Trump.
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Taq Member Posts: 10081 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
LamarkNewAge writes: Sanders not only was robbed of the Democratic nomination, but all this crap laid the groundwork for an election that eventually got us Donald Trump. Those are some rather large assumptions. I don't see how Sanders was guaranteed to beat either Clinton or Trump on a level playing field.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
LamarkNewAge writes:
What a joke.
What an admission.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
quote: I missed the punch line. Care to elaborate.?
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2
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quote: He was already declared defeated (from the start) due to the big Super delegate lead Hillary Clinton began with. He didn't get media coverage that described him as anything but a small nuisance. And the debate calendar was designed to keep him "dead" in the water. (debates are really important due to the massive voting audience) He still won 22 states.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
LamarknewAge writes:
As Taq pointed out (and I'll put it more bluntly), Sanders wouldn't have won the nomination even if Hillary had vanished off the face of the earth. He was one of Trump's greatest assets but he was no asset to the Democratic Party.
I missed the punch line. Care to elaborate.?
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Taq Member Posts: 10081 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
LamarckNewAge writes: He was already declared defeated (from the start) due to the big Super delegate lead Hillary Clinton began with. He didn't get media coverage that described him as anything but a small nuisance. And the debate calendar was designed to keep him "dead" in the water. (debates are really important due to the massive voting audience) He still won 22 states.
The debate calendar kept him from winning? Seriously? Super delegates are part of the nomination process, and Sanders was responsible for his own public image. Those would all be present with a level playing field.
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I think I was called a conspiracy nut (by NoNukes?) during the debate over the DNC deck stacking. Why don't you cite the exact conspiracy statements that resulted in in me calling you that? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
quote: Forget about the last sentence. (I can't argue against your great point that Sanders wasn't able to do much to help with Hillary's atrocious reputation & issue stances during the general election) But it is the point that "Sanders wouldn't have won the nomination even if Hillary had vanished off the face of the earth" that I want to look at (more of a glance). The fact of the matter is that he did win general elections in Vermont. He lost his first statewide congressional race (well the 1988 open House seat might not have been his very first) to a moderate Republican by a few points (about 51% to 48% which was less than the 54% to 45% loss that Dukakis lost to Bush) and he was actually so popular that the Democratic party supported him. Vermont had never elected a Democratic congressman in over 200 years when Sanders won the rematch 2 years later in 1990. He won 56% to 40% but it had a lot to do with the fact that his 1 term Republican opponent was at odds with the Republican party on abortion, gun control, and taxes (He actually felt Bush didn't raise taxes on the wealthy enough, while the party felt he shouldn't have raised taxes at all). Again, he had the support of the Democratic party. He joined the Democratic caucus in the House after he was sworn in during January 1991. The first ever Democratic congressman. Bill Clinton won Vermont 46% to 33% in 1992 but Sanders won by a wider margin in both 1990 and 1992. Sanders did only win 47% to 44% in the 1994 GOP tidal wave but he and Clinton both won by 23% in 1996. Gore only won by 10% in 2000 but Sanders won by over 30% in 1998 and 2000. Kerry won 62% to 37% in 2004 but Sanders won the open Senate seat in 2006 by over 30%. NOW THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY IN 2016 He did loose to Hillary in the 2016 delegate race and even with regular delegates. He lost regular delegates 55% to 45%. Kentucky, Missouri, and Iowa were settled by less than 1% and had he won those three, then he would have won 25 states. Massachusetts was also super close. As was South Dakota (I think). Hard to argue that he couldn't be considered a strong runner for the nomination. Now. Would he have been out of the picture had the toxic Hillary Clinton not been his 1 on 1 opponent? Was he only strong in the primary because Hillary was his opponent? We don't truly understand the various dynamics and how the cookie crumbles under vastly different circumstances. Some think he might have done better among African Americans if Hillary wasn't his opponent. He might not have beat his 22% performance but he wouldn't have lost them by 56% (78% to 22%) and that is especially true if a non-Hillary primary featured a big field of presidential hopefuls. He wouldn't have lost the Jewish vote by so much in a divided field. He failed to win 3 chief Democratic constituencies (Black, Hispanic, and Jewish voters). He won whites, Asians, and Native Americans. Was his success among the latter simply due to his opponent being Hillary Clinton? I don't know.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
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