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NoNukes
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Message 13 of 53 (822925)
11-03-2017 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by LamarkNewAge
11-03-2017 11:43 AM


Re: "If you had told me this during the primary... I would have called you a conspiracy
I think I was called a conspiracy nut (by NoNukes?) during the debate over the DNC deck stacking.
Why don't you cite the exact conspiracy statements that resulted in in me calling you that?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 20 of 53 (822953)
11-03-2017 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by LamarkNewAge
11-03-2017 5:01 PM


Re: NoNukes clicked the approval disc calling me a "conspiracy nut" here.
There you have it.
So I simply clicked an agreement with someone else.
I stand by my click. Paul's statements were absolutely correct.
That said, I am hardly the person who is responsible for that particular characterization of you as a nut. There are plenty of others instances in which I am the author.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 22 of 53 (822967)
11-04-2017 8:07 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by LamarkNewAge
11-03-2017 11:24 PM


Re: NoNukes clicked the approval disc calling me a "conspiracy nut" here.
But opinions are changing when we learn more about what was going on (behind the scenes) during the period.
Whether or not new revelations cause is to rethink our positions is one thing. On the other hand, the idea that super-delegates were some kind of conspiracy against Bernie Sanders, when they existed well prior to this last campaign is something else. The idea is still just as stupid as when you (and others) first suggested it.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 30 of 53 (823129)
11-06-2017 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by LamarkNewAge
11-05-2017 9:08 PM


Re: Sanders still has an approval rating well over 50% (highest of any active politician)
Gregory had just showed the unreal 82% to 18% win in Alaska and the shocking 73%-27% win over Hillary in Washington state. He then went on to show the Hawaii results. As the results in Hawaii were shown onscreen, he sarcastically said something like, "This margin was much closer - 42 points".
He won there 71% to 29% over Hillary.
This stuff is all true, and yet you are clearly sharing only part of the story. Sanders got his butt totally kicked in just about every state primary with any kind of sizeable urban population with the tiniest bit of diversity.
There is an assumption here that while a sizeable number of Sanders voters would not vote for Hilary, that Sanders would have gotten essentially all of the Hillary voters out to vote so that he could win. That is speculation for which there is little to no real evidence.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 33 of 53 (823183)
11-07-2017 3:19 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by LamarkNewAge
11-06-2017 8:20 PM


Re: Sanders still has an approval rating well over 50% (highest of any active politician)
Sanders won 22 states and the 3 I just mentioned were diverse.
I said diverse with a large urban population. That is where Sanders got his butt kicked. Hawaii and Alaska don't qualify. Nor do several of the other states you named. Michigan would qualify, but it is pretty much an exception for Sanders.
Clinton got millions of votes more than Sanders. The only way Sanders wins is if he gets those super delegates. But if you are making that argument, then you shouldn't be saying that counting the super-delegates is cheating.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 50 of 53 (823435)
11-10-2017 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by LamarkNewAge
11-10-2017 12:34 AM


Re: Glenn Greenwald caught a corrupt superdelegate early on.
NoNukes said that it was crazy conspiracy crap to even consider that Hillary was fortunate to get a lot of right wing states early in the process
Is that what I said, you lying sack of shit? No, it is not.
You are a piece of work. LNA.
Again, Bernie ran a very competitive race, but he lost most states, and he was not competitive in the largest states, nor in the states with large diverse urban areas. Even in Michigan, an analysis of his close win shows that Hilary kicked the crap out of him in all of the states urban areas. That is why Bernies lost.
I've never tried to argue that the Democratic party was neutral or fair to Bernie. I complained similarly about the way Trump was being treated until it was pointed out to me that the parties pick the candidates they want to represent them. Bernie's reputation is that he is an independent, not a democrat, and while he sometimes supports democratic candidates, that is not always the case. That probably cost him the support of the party.
Bernie's ideas were much better than Clinton's IMO, but Bernie did not win the nomination. Bernie seems to understand that much better than does your dumb conspiracy stuff.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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