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Phat
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Message 31 of 40 (823683)
11-15-2017 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by jar
11-14-2017 7:46 PM


Re: More from N.P.R.
there is no evidence of a war between ideologies, absolute truth vs relativism, good vs evil.
Are you sure about that? These days the media wars are more heated than ever, and while some people have honorable motives, others seek power and control. The honorable people don't seem to be winning.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
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Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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jar
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Message 32 of 40 (823685)
11-15-2017 2:28 PM
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11-15-2017 2:23 PM


Re: More from N.P.R.
Yes, I am absolutely sure.

Good and evil are human creations and neither good nor evil actually exists except as human terms.

There is no evidence that "absolute truth" even exists. Things can be absolutely tru and it is absolutely true that "absolute truth" does not exist.


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Faith
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Message 33 of 40 (823686)
11-15-2017 2:28 PM
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11-15-2017 2:23 PM


Re: More from N.P.R.
The honorable people don't seem to be winning.

They stopped winning about fifty years ago and it's only been getting worse with the occasional temporary exception.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 34 of 40 (823688)
11-15-2017 2:30 PM
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11-15-2017 2:28 PM


Re: More from N.P.R.
Good and evil are human creations and neither good nor evil actually exists except as human terms

Murder isn't evil except by "human" standards? Really? The Holocaust? Child molestation? Fraud? Really?


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jar
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Message 35 of 40 (823700)
11-15-2017 2:57 PM
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11-15-2017 2:30 PM


Re: More from N.P.R.
Faith writes:

Murder isn't evil except by "human" standards? Really? The Holocaust? Child molestation? Fraud? Really?

Exactly. Humans decide that the Nazis are evil for killing a few million people and that the Biblical God is not evil even when it wipes out almost all living life on the planet.

Now compared to the God of Genesis 6&7 Hitler was a ruddy saint.

Have you ever read the Bible Faith? The great gift found in Genesis 2&3 was the human ability to determine good and evil. Neither "GOOD" or "EVIL" exist except within the context of human standards and those standards are neither consistent or uniformly applied.


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ringo
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Message 36 of 40 (823701)
11-15-2017 3:01 PM
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11-15-2017 2:30 PM


Re: More from N.P.R.
Faith writes:

Murder isn't evil except by "human" standards?


Of course murder is defined by humans. It isn't murder if the guy you kill is wearing a different-coloured uniform.
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Message 37 of 40 (823703)
11-15-2017 3:09 PM
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11-15-2017 3:01 PM


Re: More from N.P.R.
And, of course, no nation has been as effective as the United States when it comes to genocide. But that was OUR Genocides and so not evil and in fact Manifest Destiny.

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Pressie
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Message 38 of 40 (823734)
11-16-2017 6:28 AM
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11-15-2017 2:57 PM


Re: More from N.P.R.
I have to disagree with you here, jar.

jar writes:

Now compared to the God of Genesis 6&7 Hitler was a ruddy saint.

Comparing Genesis 6&7 and the Gods of the various Christian Holy Books Hitler was a Holy Saint.

Anyways, I'll be in Portland, Maine, for around 2 weeks after that. The first week involves a conference and then the second week will involve an excursion to look at the rocks of the area. I know it's going to be very, very cold, but could you Amcan persons give me any indication on the non-tourist attractions involving geology and other interesting features?

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NoNukes
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Message 39 of 40 (823767)
11-16-2017 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Faith
11-15-2017 2:28 PM


Re: More from N.P.R.
They stopped winning about fifty years ago and it's only been getting worse with the occasional temporary exception.

That would be about 1967 or so. What winning was going on before that time but not afterward?


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I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

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Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

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PaulK
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Message 40 of 40 (823769)
11-16-2017 1:14 PM
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11-16-2017 1:07 PM


Re: More from N.P.R.
Nixon became President in ‘69...
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