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Message 346 of 354 (823278)
11-08-2017 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 345 by ringo
11-08-2017 2:09 PM


Re: Does God care about our motives?
And who other than strangers provides the funds the Government can use to help people?

My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios     My Website: My Website

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Message 347 of 354 (823282)
11-08-2017 3:49 PM
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11-08-2017 2:09 PM


Re: Does God care about our motives?
Recovery is emotionally discouraging. I went to Jiffy Lube to have my oil changed. The price was too steep, to begin with, but I was pressured into buying all sorts of extra services and fancier oils, all of which I turned down. 3 days later, my car suddenly starts acting up. Today, I took it to a mechanic whom I trust. I paid ten times as much to get it fixed right. I suspect that those cons at the Jiffy Lube sabotaged my car somehow, but have no way of proving anything. I have new medications and have been sober from my binging and irrational and selfish behavior for 3 days. After one year of sobriety, I expected some sort of reward and received nothing. Then, I relapsed, expecting a quick reward which failed to materialize. Long story short, I was nearly broke and then my car acted up after trusting strangers to fix it cheaply. Today as I pay the mechanics whom I know $623.38, I at least trust that the money is well spent. How can I trust handing money out to people whom I never know their motives, intentions, or character?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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ringo
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Message 348 of 354 (823285)
11-08-2017 3:58 PM
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11-08-2017 3:49 PM


Re: Does God care about our motives?
Phat writes:

How can I trust handing money out to people whom I never know their motives, intentions, or character?


What do you need to "trust" when you're helping the poor? You're not getting anything (material) in return so you can't be ripped off. What's it to you what their motives are?
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Message 349 of 354 (823287)
11-08-2017 4:14 PM
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11-08-2017 3:58 PM


Re: Does God care about our motives?
yeah but im losing money. Im not rich either, ya know.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Message 350 of 354 (823291)
11-08-2017 6:15 PM
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11-08-2017 3:49 PM


Re: Does God care about our motives?
Smile, god loves you :-)

You don't get silly random rewards, you just get more life. The sooner you can stop looking for superstitiously granted rewards in this life and the next the sooner you're going to get some joy - and 'luck' - in your life.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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ringo
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Message 351 of 354 (823326)
11-09-2017 10:46 AM
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11-08-2017 4:14 PM


Re: Does God care about our motives?
Phat writes:

yeah but im losing money.


quote:
Ecclesiastes 11:1 Cast thy bread upon the waters: for thou shalt find it after many days.

quote:
Luke 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

quote:
2 Corinthians 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

I could go on and on.

Why do you insist on ignoring the message?


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Message 352 of 354 (823330)
11-09-2017 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 349 by Phat
11-08-2017 4:14 PM


Re: Does God care about our motives?
Phat writes:

yeah but im losing money. Im not rich either, ya know.

Money often is NOT what is needed. Often the homeless person just needs someone to acknowledge they exist, a smile, a good morning, a Hi.

The other day I was in my local Walgreen's and there was a mother and her maybe 8 or 9 year old daughter buying school supplies. They were at the serious decision stage as SHE had about a dozen different folder covers and was walking up and down the aisle try to decide which patterns or designs to choose. SHE also had a pony tail that reached almost to her knees and she swung it side to side as she walked.

I commented that I wish I could fix my hair in a pony tail and her reply was "Even a first grader knows how to make a pony tail." Her mother said "Now that wasn't polite; apologize to the nice man" but I asked, "Instead, can SHE teach me how a first grader would make a pony tail."

So I knelt down in the aisle and SHE grabbed my hair almost pulling it out of my head and started twisting it up into a rope.

"You have really skinny hair!"

"You're going bald you know!"

Her mom is laughing and I'm near tears and SHE is totally in charge.

"Reach back and feel that! You need to twist it like that first, then put this over, then twist it and put it through again and then do this..."

And I had my very first pony tail.

Her mom was still laughing and asked if I was okay and mom told her daughter it wasn't nice to tell someone they were going bald to which SHE replied, "But mommy, he is!"

So okay.

Cost, got my knees dirty. Mom and daughter both had fun. I learned how to make a pony tail as well as a first grader and the chances are that both got to tell others about their day.

And my hair really is so skinny that I've always gotten my head sunburned if I stay out too long without a hat.

Skinny hair can be a bitch.


My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios     My Website: My Website

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Phat
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Message 353 of 354 (823916)
11-19-2017 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 351 by ringo
11-09-2017 10:46 AM


Re: Does God care about our motives?
I could go on and on.
Why do you insist on ignoring the message?

Because in this case, the postman is bringing me a bill, rather than a cheque.

And he only believes in duty, rather than in blessing.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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ringo
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Message 354 of 354 (823929)
11-19-2017 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 353 by Phat
11-19-2017 9:25 AM


Re: Does God care about our motives?
Phat writes:

Because in this case, the postman is bringing me a bill, rather than a cheque.


It doesn't matter whether the messenger is bringing a cheque or a bill. You're responsible for your bills, aren't you?
Phat writes:

And he only believes in duty, rather than in blessing.


What do the messenger's beliefs have to do with you paying your bills?
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