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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Dredge writes: Really? Name one. I don't think you were telling the truth with that comment. You say "all life is a nested hierarchy", but apparently there are many creatures that don't fall into a nested hierarchy... Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
You missed quite a few other possibilities. One is that The Holy FSM could have poofed everything into existence as is. With apparant years. Gods telling untruths...Some people find that acceptable.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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Thanks for posting this topic. I learned a lot of things from the responses.
Monoglot is a new English word I learned (I'm multilingual and it really must be hard to only be able to understand and speak one language). Now I understand the word Clade a lot better than before (I have virtually no training in Biology, except for the short course I took in Genetics). Thanks guys! A free education. It's wonderful. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
I love it when creationists quote-mine Gould. My bold in the next Gould quote-mine.
Since we proposed punctuated equilibria to explain trends, it is infuriating to be quoted again and again by creationists -- whether through design or stupidity, I do not know -- as admitting that the fossil record includes no transitional forms. Transitional forms are generally lacking at the species level, but they are abundant between larger groups. Gould, Stephen Jay 1983. "Evolution as Fact and Theory" in Hens Teeth and Horse's Toes: Further Reflections in Natural History. New York: W. W. Norton & Co., p. 258-260. Hey, Dredge, have you discovered those organisms not falling into a nested hierachy you were telling us about?
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Thanks Dwise. That was a very interesting post.
It will take some time to watch those videos. Looking forward to it. My home language (Afrikaans) was derived from a west European language. I also took Setswana language courses and use that language often; the sentence structures are so different from west European languages that I felt it was impossible to ever learn such a language. At least the western alphabet is used which makes it easier. I can't imagine how difficult it must be to learn languages such as Japanese or Cantonese! Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
This one was funny to me.
Dredge writes: Really? It sure is an observation. We can observe that a Platypus is a mammal. Tits and those head bones. Mammalia. And the DNA sequencing. Mammalia. ...It's not an "observation"... Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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Ah, Gould quote mined again.
I love quote mining Gould, too.
Gould writes: My bold. Since we proposed punctuated equilibria to explain trends, it is infuriating to be quoted again and again by creationists -- whether through design or stupidity, I do not know -- as admitting that the fossil record includes no transitional forms. Transitional forms are generally lacking at the species level, but they are abundant between larger groups. From Gould, Stephen Jay 1983. "Evolution as Fact and Theory" in Hens Teeth and Horse's Toes: Further Reflections in Natural History. New York: W. W. Norton & Co., p. 258-260.
Gould writes: My bold. The argument that the literal story of Genesis can qualify as science collapses on three major grounds: the creationists' need to invoke miracles in order to compress the events of the earth's history into the biblical span of a few thousand years; their unwillingness to abandon claims clearly disproved, including the assertion that all fossils are products of Noah's flood; and their reliance upon distortion, misquote, half-quote, and citation out of context to characterize the ideas of their opponents. From "The Verdict on Creationism", The Skeptical Inquirer, Winter 87/88, pg. 186.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Dredge writes: Really? In primary school? I think someone called Dredge is very economical with the truth here...
I knew that ... learnt it all in primary school.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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If pigs could fly...
Maybe you should try to explain the joke to creationists. Dredge doesn't seem to be very bright and I don't think that Dredge could even understand the basics. I'll start. Pigs are tetrapods. Same as birds and bats and humans and Komodo dragons. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Hey, looking for excuses? You seem to be just a puff of hot air claiming things.
You are welcome to try and get a tetrapod with wings growing out of their bodies...The opposite of the ToE...
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Dredge writes: No, just that you are wilfully ignorant of facts. Brain washed.
... that I'm stupid and ignorant?
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Again, I love it when people quote-mine Gould. I can do the same.
Dredge writes: Nope. Let's repeat those quotes again.
You have barked up the wrong tree twice in this one post. Your first Gould quote has nothing to do with my Gould quote. Your second Gould quote refers to Yung Erfers - I is not a Yung Erfer, but an Old Erfer. (Yung Erfers hate my beliefs in an old earth and a previous creation and some or them might even want to kill me to death ... or at least torture me for several days.)In short, your attempt to out-Gould-quote me, while admirable, has failed. Gould writes: My bold. Since we proposed punctuated equilibria to explain trends, it is infuriating to be quoted again and again by creationists — whether through design or stupidity, I do not know -- as admitting that the fossil record includes no transitional forms. Transitional forms are generally lacking at the species level, but they are abundant between larger groups.From Gould, Stephen Jay 1983. "Evolution as Fact and Theory" in Hens Teeth and Horse's Toes: Further Reflections in Natural History. New York: W. W. Norton & Co., p. 258-260. Gould writes: My bold. The argument that the literal story of Genesis can qualify as science collapses on three major grounds: the creationists' need to invoke miracles in order to compress the events of the earth's history into the biblical span of a few thousand years; their unwillingness to abandon claims clearly disproved, including the assertion that all fossils are products of Noah's flood; and their reliance upon distortion, misquote, half-quote, and citation out of context to characterize the ideas of their opponents. From "The Verdict on Creationism", The Skeptical Inquirer, Winter 87/88, pg. 186.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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Yes. Upsettig the apple cart is my dream. That would increase my current salary of around USD 36 000 a year to millions of USD every year. And those prizes and interviews on Fox. Worth millions. Would love that.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
I don't think that Dredge is willing to learn about anything not coming from his/her favourite Holy Books.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Dredge writes: Actually, the tooth wasn't fabricated. So, what's your point?
My point is, not only was Nebraska Man fabricated on the basis of one tooth...
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