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Dredge
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Message 465 of 2887 (822196)
10-20-2017 9:14 PM


The fossil record reveals the miserable failure of Darwism's most fundamental prediction - gradualism. Gould stated that the fossil record is characterised two things antithetical to gradualism - sudden appearance and stasis.
Sudden appearance and stasis fit two fundamental predictions of creation. Ain't that interesting?

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Message 468 of 2887 (822205)
10-20-2017 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 466 by granpa
10-20-2017 9:43 PM


I wonder which part of Genesis "describes the evolution of man"? Kind of off-topic, though.

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Message 469 of 2887 (822206)
10-20-2017 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 467 by dwise1
10-20-2017 9:50 PM


The bet Darwin never suspected that the superstition of spontaneuos generation would reappear in a different form - Punctuated Equilibrium.

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Message 478 of 2887 (822318)
10-22-2017 9:04 PM
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10-21-2017 10:55 AM


I don't know what you mean. Can you elaborate, please?

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Message 481 of 2887 (822381)
10-23-2017 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 479 by RAZD
10-23-2017 9:42 AM


Re: Let me help
"RAZD" writes:
"Dredge" writes:
The fossil record reveals the miserable failure of Darwism's most fundamental prediction - gradualism. ...
Is false: (a) it is not "fundamental" and (b) Darwin also discussed periods of rapid change between periods of little change.
Of course gradualism is fundamental to ToE - does a fish grow a foot overnight?
Different rates of gradualism is still gradualism.
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Message 482 of 2887 (822382)
10-23-2017 11:32 PM
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10-23-2017 11:12 AM


"DrAdequate" writes:
I mean that you are frequently prone to mendacity, that you have a persistent tendency to untruthfulness, that it is your habit and custom to perpetrate falsehoods, and that you have often been known to fib.
Is that good or bad?
Besides that, you didn't answer my question.

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Message 490 of 2887 (824288)
11-26-2017 6:27 AM


The geological and fossil record is not evidence of "evolution" but of successive divine creations that existed and were destroyed before the "six days" of creation described in Genesis. This creation we live in now will in turn be replaced by another creation - "a new heaven and a new earth" mentioned in Revelation 21.

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Message 496 of 2887 (824327)
11-27-2017 3:04 AM
Reply to: Message 492 by Dr Adequate
11-26-2017 1:19 PM


Your questions are like rocks hurled at my fragile, egg-shell mind.
Nevertheless, they are good questions ... for which I have no answers - although there is a theory about the fall of the angels (Satan and co.) causing the destruction of creation on earth.
But there are many mysteries which humans cannot answer without divine revelation.
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Message 497 of 2887 (824328)
11-27-2017 3:07 AM
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11-26-2017 6:19 PM


No yanking of chain here. This is my sincere belief and I have no idea why you think it presidentially absurd.
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Message 498 of 2887 (824329)
11-27-2017 3:14 AM
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11-26-2017 8:14 PM


Re: what a pathetic God Dredge markets
My theory is based on a literal reading of Scripture. The "heavens and the earth" in Genesis 1:1 were present before the six days of creation (Gen 1:3-31). The first of the six Days begins in verse 3 with "Let there be light".

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Message 510 of 2887 (824450)
11-29-2017 3:08 AM
Reply to: Message 505 by dwise1
11-28-2017 12:50 AM


Re: what a pathetic God Dredge markets
dwise1 writes:
The Unitarians were very active in the civil rights and anti-war movement of the 60's.
The Unitarians are cultural Marxists masquerading as Christians, in other words. The same Loony Left spirit infected mainstream Catholicism in the 60's (thanks mainly to influence of the Jesuits, I suspect)) and has remained stuck in that demented state ever since. But it can't last forever - all infantile utopian fantasies eventually crumble under the weight of reality.
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Message 511 of 2887 (824451)
11-29-2017 3:34 AM
Reply to: Message 509 by Dr Adequate
11-29-2017 12:20 AM


DrAdequate writes:
Also, how often do you envisage this process of destruction and creation taking place? If you look at the fossil record, there's pretty much always something new popping up or going extinct. Geologists distinguish between 99 official geological ages, and these are themselves capable of subdivision.
My theory involves an initial creation, which was corrupted (possibly by the fall of the angels - Satan and the other demons) and eventually destroyed by a global flood. This brings us to the point described in Genesis 1:2 - "And the earth was void and empty, and darkness was upon the face of the deep". Then came the "six days" of the new creation, which was also corrupted and eventully destroyed by another global flood. This lead to a retoration of sorts, started by Noah and the other creatures in the ark - and which is the world we live in now. This creation will in turn by replaced by "a new heaven and a new earth" mentioned in Rev 21.
Since the earth has existed in corrupted states, there exist the possibilities of multiple catastrophes that are interpreted as the various "geological ages" by scientists. (Origen - an early Church father - suggested the possibility of many more creations than the few I have envisaged.)
As you can see, this is a u-beaut theory that you and the other posters will find hard to resist and that will probably lead to multiple conversions of same to the Christian faith.
If we accept that God may be dicking with us by producing false appearances, then ever truth, no matter how apparent, acquires an air of mystery. You can appeal to God's mysterious ways to suppose that instead of seeing evidence for evolution, we are seeing hundreds of vast and pointless miracles producing the appearance of evolution. But why stop there? We could equally look at a cow and wonder if it's a cow, or if God is exercising his miraculous powers to make the mere appearance of a cow, for reasons beyond our mortal ken.
Goodness gracious, this is too deep for my shallow mind. Please don't mention such too-magnificent thoughts again.
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Message 519 of 2887 (824528)
11-30-2017 3:40 AM
Reply to: Message 516 by Dr Adequate
11-30-2017 12:42 AM


Re: what a pathetic God Dredge markets
Wow, how childishly naive. The civil rights movement was invented by Communists and the 1960's anti-war movement was also a Communist construct - Western Communists trying to defend their comrades in the East and funded largley by the USSR. Martin Luther King was a Christian frontman for Communists. It ain't rocket science.

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Message 520 of 2887 (824529)
11-30-2017 4:05 AM
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11-30-2017 2:15 AM


Re: what a pathetic God Dredge markets
dwise1 writes:
And you think that they would want to masquerade as Christians? What an ignorant fool you are!
It's possible I know next to nothing about Unit-arians, in which case, I shall read up on them. But they sound like interesting cranks.
So many Unitarian-Universalists tend to be Jewish
Considering the Unitarian proclivities for Loony Left politics and utopian fantasy, this makes sense.

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Message 521 of 2887 (824530)
11-30-2017 4:17 AM
Reply to: Message 518 by dwise1
11-30-2017 2:42 AM


dwise1 writes:
What theory? You present us with no theory, just some confused dogmatic mumblings.
You're partly correct - not a theory, but excellent theology which can also accommodate the geological evidence of the history of the earth.
Where's you evidence? Where are your hypotheses with which you had built that theory? Where are your tests of those hypotheses?
Do you even have any inkling of a clue of what a theory actually is? Of course not! As you persist in demonstrating, you are a complete and utter fool!
Stop this. Your questions and accusations are like rocks hurled at my fragile, egg-shell mind.
What you are doing is to ridicule Christ and Christian doctrine yourself. You are claiming that Christians must believe absolutely ridiculous and false things. You are demonstrating that Christianity is completely and utterly false.
You need to enlighten me on these points. Please explains zem.

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