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Author Topic:   Evolution. We Have The Fossils. We Win.
Dredge
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Message 528 of 2887 (824600)
12-01-2017 3:49 AM
Reply to: Message 522 by RAZD
11-30-2017 7:16 AM


Re: what a pathetic God/World/Univers Dredge markets
Ignorance is bliss. The Achilles' Heel of the Left is their poor aptitude for distinguishing fact from fiction.
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Message 529 of 2887 (824601)
12-01-2017 3:54 AM
Reply to: Message 524 by Dr Adequate
11-30-2017 9:30 AM


You've never heard of the Gap theory of creation? Google it.

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Message 530 of 2887 (824602)
12-01-2017 4:09 AM
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11-30-2017 9:32 AM


Re: what a pathetic God Dredge markets
The religion of Equality is a bit like the religion of Darwinism - it has only one enemy - reality. Restrictions on freedom of speech prevent me from expressing my thoughts about the insane, Marxist delusions of equality that exists in Western civilization. The senseless Loony Left laps up this demented, vacuous rubbish because it massages their egos and makes them feel morally superior.
And from the beginning (Eve in the Garden of Eden), Satan has used the sophistry of equality to deceive and harm mankind.
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Message 531 of 2887 (824603)
12-01-2017 4:21 AM
Reply to: Message 527 by dwise1
11-30-2017 10:25 AM


In other words, you can't demonstrate that my theology is wrong.

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Message 540 of 2887 (824716)
12-02-2017 4:26 PM


Well, many fossils have been found but they cannot be submitted as evidence for evolution. Here's why:
The fossils that have been discovered so far could represent only the tiniest fraction of the total number of fossils in existence. So our present fossil collection could be so small as to be "statistically insignificant". An election result can't be decided if only 0.01% of the votes have been counted, can it?
Furthermore, since there is no way of knowing the total number of fossils in existence, there is no way of knowing when a "statistically significant" number of fossils have been collected. In which case, the fossil record can never be safely used as definitive empirical evidence for evolution.
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"There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe in them" - George Orwell

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Dredge
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Message 541 of 2887 (824718)
12-02-2017 4:31 PM
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11-30-2017 9:19 AM


Re: what a pathetic God Dredge markets
Percy writes:
My mother was Lutheran, my father Jewish.
Hey, I'm part-Jewish too!

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Message 548 of 2887 (824785)
12-03-2017 5:20 PM
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12-02-2017 7:33 PM


This is not an argument.

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Message 550 of 2887 (824788)
12-03-2017 5:22 PM
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12-01-2017 8:46 AM


George Orwell was great. He worked for the BBC (a very left-wing organisation) for two years and later said it "hates intelligence" and described it as "a cross between a girls school and a mental asylum."
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Message 551 of 2887 (824789)
12-03-2017 5:26 PM
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12-02-2017 5:45 PM


You are assuming that the same statistical criteria that apply to electronic circuits can be applied to fossils. Maybe they can, I don't know; they they are very different animals.

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Message 552 of 2887 (824790)
12-03-2017 5:28 PM
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12-01-2017 11:50 AM


Re: why bother?
Well may you speak of "value". The theory that all life on earth evolved from a microbe has contributed nothing to the advancement of science and therefore has no scientific value at all.
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Darwinism is overflowing with claims that can't be demonstrated. For example, how can it be demonstrated that a piece of a reptile's jaw bone evolved into the bones of the inner ear of a mammal?

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Message 553 of 2887 (824791)
12-03-2017 5:29 PM
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12-01-2017 8:04 AM


Re: what a pathetic God/World/Univers Dredge markets
Incidentally, could a pig with wings be fitted into a nested hierarchy?
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Dredge
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Message 554 of 2887 (824792)
12-03-2017 5:35 PM
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12-02-2017 5:17 PM


Re: Fossils are a falsification tests
RAZD writes:
We don't need evidence for evolution, we know it is happening all around us
What is "happening all around us" that can be used as evidence that all life on earth evolved from a microbe?
As you have seen, all fossils found fall into nested hierarchies, all fossils found can be explained by evolution, including all the intermediate forms.
A story doesn't equal a fact.
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Message 564 of 2887 (824892)
12-04-2017 7:04 PM
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12-03-2017 8:02 PM


Re: what a pathetic God/World/Univers Dredge markets
A question re nested hierarchies doesn't belong in this thread, so I posed the same question in a more appropriate thread.

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Dredge
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Message 565 of 2887 (824893)
12-04-2017 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 547 by Dr Adequate
12-02-2017 9:52 PM


Well, you have raised some very disturbing points that need to be discussed with the scientists of the world. However, I'm not sure if the principles of gravity and chemistry, etc can be compared to fossils.
Meanwhile, please consider this:
If evolution has been progressing for at least three billion years, then there might be at least three billion fossils in existence (this is a very conservative estimate - only one fossil formed on earth per year). If we have collected one million fossils so far, this might represent only 0.033% of all fossils, which is hardly a statistically significant sample size.
Imagine how stupid it would be for a politician to claim victory after only 0.033% of the votes had been counted. He would be laughed at and ridiculed and called a fool. So embarrassment.
Plus, there is the situation alluded to by Mr. Percy - that creatures that inhabit low-lying areas are much more likely to be fossilized than creatures that don't. And I dare say birds are much less likely to fossilized than non-birds. Indeed, the majority of fossils discovered are marine creatures. So these factors further detract from the statistical worth of the fossil collection.

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Message 566 of 2887 (824894)
12-04-2017 7:16 PM
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12-03-2017 7:58 PM


Percy writes:
I did also provide you the example of elections, where election surveys query between 1500 and 2000 people regardless of the size of the electorate.
No wonder such surveys are so often wrong!
Obviously, the bigger the sample size the more likely it is to be accurate, but samples of public opinion are limited by available resources, such as time and money.

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