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Message 1179 of 4573 (818933)
09-04-2017 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1172 by Percy
08-31-2017 12:37 PM


Trump's Nominee To Be USDA's Chief Scientist...
Here is an article of interest: Trump's Nominee To Be USDA's Chief Scientist Is Not A Scientist
Unbelievable! Why on earth would the president nominate someone with such adversarial credentials? Does he want to pick a fight with common sense?
Edited by Phat, : sub title

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 1181 of 4573 (818936)
09-04-2017 9:38 AM
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09-04-2017 9:28 AM


Re: Fox News Poll: Trump tearing country apart
It will be interesting to see how the current bureau will reformulate the message of that website! I looked at the old website, still available through links:
Climate Change
Let's focus on just this issue. What will the current administration emphasize in regards to a proven scientific topic?
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 1183 of 4573 (818939)
09-04-2017 9:46 AM
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09-04-2017 9:43 AM


Re: Fox News Poll: Trump tearing country apart
Maybe we can get a town hall meeting with the president, the chief "scientist" and a room full of high school and college science instructors.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 1206 of 4573 (820746)
09-26-2017 10:38 AM
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09-23-2017 4:13 PM


Un and Ummer
Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un are two rich rulers having a verbal fight. One is an old dotard and the other is a god among his people.
My question is this: What real risk is there of a war breaking out?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
An atheist is someone who has no invisible means of support~Bishop Fulton J.Sheen

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Message 1208 of 4573 (820769)
09-27-2017 7:48 AM


The Proposed Tax Cuts Make No Fiscal Sense
In today's news, Trump and Co. will tackle tax code overhaul next, having failed to dismantle the Affordable Care Act. I am no economist and have admittedly been stuck on simplistic ideas regarding the federal government's philosophy regarding money creation, but it seems to me that it is impossible to claim a middle-class tax cut is going to bring more money into the coffers.
To even begin to stop deficit spending and begin to pay back the enormous national debt that looms over our economy, all I can say is that the math does not compute.
Granted, the proposal may, in fact, stimulate business, but a couple of hundred dollars less to pay in taxes will likely get wiped out by causing many new entry-level jobs that will reduce the hours for other workers. Maybe its just me looking at my own situation, I dunno.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
An atheist is someone who has no invisible means of support~Bishop Fulton J.Sheen

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Message 1222 of 4573 (821028)
10-01-2017 9:58 AM


Who Is The Responsible Party?
  • Who Is Responsible for the future of the United States?
  • Who is mature enough to tackle the tough issues?
    Talk is cheap. Reality is about more than tweets and sound bites. What have we done? We have left one of the 1% in charge of the 99%. We have believed the rhetoric. We continue to remain silent except to joke about who was elected.
    Yet we cannot blame them. They cannot blame us. There is no us and them. There is only we the people. We are responsible for the mess we created.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    An atheist is someone who has no invisible means of support~Bishop Fulton J.Sheen

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    Message 1223 of 4573 (821029)
    10-01-2017 10:01 AM
    Reply to: Message 1221 by RAZD
    09-30-2017 3:26 PM


    Re: People who voted for Hillary were tricked, and we are all paying for it
    That is precisely the process that has given us Trump. If not this cycle then the next, because US politics has been circling the drain for decades now.
    You can't drain a swamp when the drain is clogged up.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    An atheist is someone who has no invisible means of support~Bishop Fulton J.Sheen

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    Message 1262 of 4573 (821196)
    10-03-2017 2:55 PM
    Reply to: Message 1261 by NoNukes
    10-03-2017 2:25 PM


    The Great Tweeter
    Trump tweets how ‘proud’ he is of the US amid tragedies ...
    I was more impressed back when presidents could actually give a substantive speech rather than a series of tweets. Communication is increasing exponentially in quantity while decreasing severely in quality.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    An atheist is someone who has no invisible means of support~Bishop Fulton J.Sheen

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    Message 1311 of 4573 (821569)
    10-09-2017 2:10 PM


    Every Knee Will Bow
    So I've been reading this ongoing issue with the NFL players choosing to kneel during the recitation of the pledge of allegiance. NPR showed VP Pence leaving a football game and that the request (command?) to do so came from Trump.
    Pence writes:
    "I left today's Colts game because President Trump and I will not dignify any event that disrespects our soldiers, our Flag, or our National Anthem," Pence, a former governor of Indiana, said in a statement.
    "While everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I don't think it's too much to ask NFL players to respect the Flag and our National Anthem," the statement opposing the protest continued. "I stand with President Trump, I stand with our soldiers, and I will always stand for our Flag and our National Anthem."
    Personally, I think that kneeling for a cause is one of the very displays of the freedom which we enjoy. Suggesting that everyone has to stand seems more authoritarian than I like.
    Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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    Message 1342 of 4573 (821813)
    10-13-2017 12:56 AM
    Reply to: Message 1341 by NoNukes
    10-12-2017 8:46 PM


    Re: Quality vs popularity
    Concerning Second Thoughts:
    If the election were held today, given what the public now knows about Trumps quality and effectiveness....Who would win?

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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    Message 1450 of 4573 (822444)
    10-25-2017 10:21 AM
    Reply to: Message 1449 by Percy
    10-25-2017 9:29 AM


    Trump 2.0?
    This whole argument seems rather unimportant to me. I'm more concerned what the current possibilities are that Trump could conceivably win a second term and who the worthy opponents are out there who could viably challenge the current status quo. I don't like the path that the US has veered towards.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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    Phat
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    Message 1452 of 4573 (822457)
    10-25-2017 11:53 AM
    Reply to: Message 1448 by Percy
    10-24-2017 8:47 PM


    Re: the attribution
    Modulous writes:
    It goes up all the time. Not every time.
    I think what he means is that the population is always growing...thus more potential voters...but the turnout varies from election to election.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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    Message 1497 of 4573 (824473)
    11-29-2017 11:39 AM
    Reply to: Message 1496 by Heathen
    11-29-2017 7:36 AM


    Re: Trump retweets islamophobic videos from British Far right group
    Snopes confirmed that at least one of the videos was fake news.
    Why does Trump wish to diminish his own credibility? Or is it that he is again simply playing to his base?

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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    Message 1509 of 4573 (824838)
    12-04-2017 9:57 AM
    Reply to: Message 1506 by Rrhain
    12-01-2017 6:31 PM


    Focus on anything but ME
    This quote from the NY Times:
    He is casting the men and women of the Federal Bureau of Investigation as unreliable, if not worse, just as he has previously done with C.I.A. agents, federal judges, scientists, Congressional Budget Office analysts and journalists, among others. The president wants to undercut just about anybody who is an independent source of information.
    It’s a classic tactic of autocrats, as people who have spent time in modern Russia, China or Venezuela can tell you. The attacks on institutions that check his power continue, the political scientist Brendan Nyhan wrote this weekend. What would you say if you saw it in another country?
    His base will likely support him through the entire investigation, even if he gets impeached.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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    Message 1531 of 4573 (825248)
    12-10-2017 2:01 PM
    Reply to: Message 1527 by jar
    12-08-2017 9:35 PM


    Re: The silly Jerusalem gambit.
    jar writes:
    The funny thing is that historically Jerusalem was NEVER the capital of Israel. Even during the period of consolidated Kingship Israel and Judah were still independent Nation States much like England & Scotland under James I & VI.
    Jerusalem was the capital of Judah.
    Trump is merely playing the tune his base wants to hear. He may cause more problems in the world, however...due to his desire to remain in power.
    The real reason Trump declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel was because he feared losing his evangelical voter base
    some notable quotes:
    quote:
    There are no fewer than 50 million evangelicals in America who, according to research, are convinced of the literal truth of Biblical prophecy. A recent survey found that 82 per cent of white evangelicals believe that God gave Israel to the Jewish people; a conviction shared by just 40 per cent of American Jews. Among these evangelicals there are those who believe in the prophecy of the End of Days foretelling Jewish control of all Jerusalem, a war of civilisations, and a choice of Jews to either embrace Christianity or die in the wrath of God.
    The decision to move the embassy does not actually have much popular support across the US population as a whole. A Brookings Institution survey found that it has the backing of only 31 per cent. Polls have also repeatedly found that a large majority of American Jews, who tend on average to have a better standard of education than the rest of US population, and are liberal by tradition, oppose the move.(...)There is also the money in this. Trump’s campaign has received substantial funding from the Christian right and also hardline American Jewish promoters of Israel. They include Sheldon Adelson, the casino billionaire and Republican donor, who had given $20m (14.9m) to a PAC (political action committee) which supported the Trump campaign and another $1.5m to the organisers of the Republican convention. Adelson has been lobbying the President persistently on the embassy transfer.
    Trump is not the only senior member of the administration to cultivate the Christian right. Vice President Mike Pence, who could be seen on TV standing behind Trump as the embassy announcement was made, with a reverent glow to his face, had pressed for a move to Jerusalem. And backing also came from Nikki Haley, the ambassador to the UN who tries her best to match Trump on hawkish rhetoric about smiting America’s enemies. She avidly courted the evangelical vote while Governor of South Carolina.(...)There is thus always the possibility, one has to accept, that the End of Days is not imminent. Armageddon will be put on hold. The Messiah will not appear for the time being and the Jews will not have to convert to Christianity or perish.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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