The Tension of Faith

Sorry but I do not denigrate either the Bible or Jesus but only those like the Christian Cult of Ignorance that pervert the Bible and market a version of Jesus that makes his whole life and message a waste of time. I simply point out that the Christianity you market is a vile, worthless theology based only on pieces parts instead of the whole and frankly is the greatest threat humanity faces.

Oh I see. So it isn't the Bible or Jesus, just the entire history of Bible based Christianity you believe belongs in the trash. and in particular, I suppose, everything since the Protestant Reformation which was the foundation for all the freedoms of the west among other benefits. Substitutionary atonemess, salvation by grace alone through faith alone, the perfect purity of Jesus, the doctrine of loving your enemies, all that stuff. Got it.Well, paganism is coming back, so you can exult in that.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

And once again, reality shows you are simply and completely wrong. You seem to have difficulty understand that far from thinking the entire history of Bible based Christianity belongs in the trash and in particular, I suppose, everything since the Protestant Reformation I am in fact a Bible based Cradle Creedal Protestant Christian myself. What I oppose is the perversion of the Bible that seems common among those who claim to be "Biblical Christians".And of course, Christianity was certainly NOT the foundation for all the freedoms of the west or really the foundation of much other than genocide, bigotry and dishonesty. The foundation of the freedoms found in the west were the Age of Enlightenment and of course much of Christianity, particularly Evangelical Calvinist Christianity and the Great Awakening were central in opposition to all the movements towards freedom. It is still Christians like you that are the threat to both freedom and enlightenment so little has changed.The pagans were always far more like Jesus than any Calvinist. Edited by jar, : appalin grammur

Your views are the perverted ones and indeed about as evil as it is possible to get.

Ah yes, thinking we are charged to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, shelter the homeless, heal the sick, comfort the sorrowful and protect the weak does sound evil in your mind. And thinking gays and lesbians should have the same protections under marriage as mixed sex couples and that Islam is a religion of peace and that we need to provide liberty to all and that even illegal immigrants in the US have the same right to due process does seem perverted in your eyes.

No, I meant the vile views you've already expressed here, that's what I was responding to. And of course you know that. But you've twisted the rest of it as well. Calling what you believe "Christianity" is such a lie, jar, why don't you just start your own religion with all your weird misreadings of the Bible, you'd probably get followers.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

There's no need Faith. I am a member of an actual recognized Christian Church that already has lots of members and is one of the major Protestant churches; the one that brought us the Book of Common Prayer and the Authorized King James bible.And remember, it's easy to look up all my posts (and your posts too) here at EvC so people can see who it really is that continuously misrepresents what is written in the Bible. It's not I who misrepresents what is actually written in the Bible stories.

What people think isn't the point, it's what God thinks that matters.

And all of the evidence shows that no one has a clue what God thinks.But wait, there's more.All of the evidence shows that past teachers from the Buddha to Jesus to John Locke have presented lesson on how to live ones life. And that is what matters.

You have it backwards. When we have evidence that something in the Bible is wrong - e.g. the Flood story - we recognize it as wrong. There's no desire to prove anything wrong, just a desire to find out what's right. Well, no idea entered people's minds until it did. Ideas don't get more reliable with age; they get more reliable with evidence.

I still dont understand the advice to "throw God away."Have other teachers apart from Eastern mystics ever suggested this? Did Jesus Himself ever touch on it?Why do you make GOD out to be irrelevant?and Whom would I pray to?

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If you love me let it be
If you don't then set me free
Take the chains away
That keep me loving you

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-- Olivia Newton-John

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You created God. Well Ganesha is the enabler so that is a good person to pray to. Ask Ganesha to help enable you to do what needs doing.Phat, it doesn't matter what God you pray too; what matters in how you pray.Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

So what about the commandment to worship only one god?What about GOD? Ganesha hardly qualifies as GOD. Get serious.

The only way you can worship is by what you do. But of course Ganesha counts as God.But GOD, if GOD exists, could not care less about what name you use.Ganesha is every bit as valid as Jehovah or Allah or Coyote.It ain't what you say it is what you do.