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Rrhain
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Message 60 of 62 (825318)
12-12-2017 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Phat
12-08-2017 1:01 PM


Re: Pope Francis Wants To Change Lords Prayer
Phat writes:
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The reasoning is that the prayer suggests that God tempts us and the Pope says that is not biblical.
Then he hasn't actually read the Bible for it directly says precisely that. Everything, good and evil, comes from god:
Behold, this evil is of the Lord. 2 Kings 6:33
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Isaiah 45:7
What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? Job 2:10
Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him. Job 42:11
Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? Lamentations 3:38
Shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? Amos 3:6
Granted, all that stuff is Old Testament...which isn't surprising when you think about it: Judaism is a *MONO*theistic religion. There is only one god (and yes, I know that the Old Testament talks about other gods...it evolved...you can see it evolve over the course of the books) and thus all things come from that one source. It's why there is no real concept of "the devil" in Judaism. The character of Satan in Job was an instrument of god (is actually described as one of the many sons of god). He only did those things to Job because god allowed him to and told him to.
Now, there is a Psalm that says god has no evil in him, but that's only one reference compared to all the other ones that directly and specifically state that god does do evil. But then again, that's Old Testament, too (what? The Bible contradicts itself? NOOOOOO!)
The point is that while the New Testament may say that god is love (1 John 4:8), there isn't really anything in the Bible to justify a claim that god doesn't tempt people.
On the contrary, god does it all the time. It may not be meet for us to test god, but he doesn't have any compunction against testing us.

Rrhain

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