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Taq
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Message 10 of 86 (796992)
01-09-2017 10:55 AM


Health Care
From what I can see, the Republicans have two choices when it comes to a health care system: Keep Obamacare in place, or go to a single payer system. I think we can all agree that the Republicans are not going to create a socialist single payer system, so that's leaves Obamacare as their only real option.
Obamacare really is the only sane system if you are going to keep private health insurance in place and force private companies to insure everyone at affordable rates regardless of health or income.
1. If you are going to insure sick people then you need healthy people paying into the system which requires some sort of mandate to be in the system.
2. If you are going to make it affordable, then you have to limit the amount that you charge sick people. This means having healthy people pay more.
3. If prices are too high for even the middle class (which it often is), then you need to subsidize their insurance by taxing the higher income brackets.
There is already a law in place that does all of that. It's called Obamacare. If there is one aspect of Obamacare that Republicans really hate it is the mandate to buy insurance. The people least likely to buy insurance are young and healthy people. The result is massive increases in cost for older and sick people.
This reality is probably starting to sink in within the Republican ranks. Paul Ryan made this statement recently:
We want to make sure there is an orderly transition so that the rug is not pulled out from under the families who are currently struggling under Obamacare while we bring relief.
That statement turns into pure energy due to the meeting of matter and antimatter. If people are truly struggling under Obamacare and need relief, why would they be having the "rug pulled out from under them"? It is massive contradiction.
If I were to use an analogy, I would describe the Republicans as a guy up in the stands who is yelling and screaming at the umpire in a baseball game. Suddenly, the umpire takes off all of his equipment, goes into the stands, drags the douchebag by the scruff, and then drags him down to the field. Once there, the umpire dresses him the equipment and forces him to call balls and strikes. What does the douchebag learn? It's a lot harder to umpire than it is to cry foul from the stands. That's what Republicans are suddenly learning. It's a lot harder to govern than it is to be constant douchebags that criticize every move that someone else makes.

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Message 14 of 86 (797039)
01-10-2017 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by jar
01-09-2017 11:10 AM


Re: Health Care
jar writes:
The problem with your scenario is that it assumes the Congress will produce something with at least a passing nod to reality.
That is the ultimate question, isn't it.
Up to this point, Republicans have had the luxury of making grand claims about what they would and wouldn't do in a time where they knew none of their bills would get past the White House. Now they are in control and their ideas have a real chance of being made into law.
The question they have to answer is if their loyal followers are really as gullible as they sometimes appear to be. If they are that gullible, then they can storm ahead with really bad policies dressed up in party ideology. If their followers are not that gullible, then they stand to lose political control if they enact what they have been threatening to enact for the last 8 years.
There are already a handful of Senate Republicans who are trying to put the brakes on the repeal of Obamacare because they do know that Obamacare is good legislation at its foundation. It could stand some tweaks here and there, as do all programs, but Obamacare is the best you can do outside of making healthcare public (i.e. socialist). Not only that, Obamacare used to be the Republican's health care plan back in the 1990's.
If one were a disinterested observer, the most interesting political theater will involve the conflict between the "traditional" Republican caucus and the nutjob Tea Party. Will the self destructive ideology that the Republican party fomented over the last 8 years come back to bite them? Time will tell.

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Message 77 of 86 (825333)
12-13-2017 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Pressie
12-13-2017 7:20 AM


Pressie writes:
On my limited experience in Poland, I learned that a lot of Polish people do despise the British. The aftermath of WW2. A lot of Poles think that the British sold them out to the USSR after the war. A lot of people in Poland despise the Brits.
The alternative was all out war between the USSR and whomever didn't allow them to keep some part of Europe. They already had a massive army sitting in the middle of Europe ready to take what they could by force if they couldn't get it through diplomacy. It's a tough choice, and I can't blame anyone for choosing peace over another 2 or 3 years of bitter war.

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