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Author Topic:   Evolution. We Have The Fossils. We Win.
Dr Adequate
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Message 577 of 2887 (824980)
12-05-2017 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 573 by Dredge
12-05-2017 6:11 PM


Re: why bother?
It seems to me that you can't tell the difference between evidence and an assumption (delusion tends to have this effect on the mind). All you have is an assumption - that a piece of a reptile's jawbone evolved into the bones of a mammal's inner ear. But you can't demonstrate that any piece of any jawbone has ever evolved into the bones of any inner ear - ever. Since when do assumptions add up to "evidence"?
You seem to have missed the bit where we have the fossils, and win.

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Message 592 of 2887 (825493)
12-15-2017 11:07 AM
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12-14-2017 10:08 PM


Re: what a pathetic God/World/Univers Dredge markets
I only have one religion - Catholicism. Catholics who accept evolution are not practising true Catholicism.
Does that include the Pope?
But perhaps we are digressing from the topic, which is how we have the fossils, and win.

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Message 593 of 2887 (825494)
12-15-2017 11:09 AM
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12-14-2017 10:04 PM


Re: why bother?
You can't prove that a piece of a reptile's jaw bone evolved into the inner ear bones of a mammal - you can't even prove that such a thing is possible. So all you have is a story based on endless assumptions and blind faith. Only in the fake science of evolution do assumptions and blind faith carry the same weight as empirical evidence.
We have empirical evidence. Specifically, we have the fossils. We win.

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Message 594 of 2887 (825500)
12-15-2017 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 584 by Dredge
12-14-2017 10:19 PM


Anyhow, I would imagine a statistical analysis of fossils would be much more complicated and prone to uncertainties than the statistical analysis of an election.
But no-one has presented a statistical analysis of fossils in this thread. Least of all your good self. I have just said that there are intermediate forms.
If I said there was evidence for the existence of brown dogs, and gave you three dozen examples of brown dogs, then how would it even be relevant for you to discuss how many other dogs there are? I would reply: we have the brown dogs. We win. Statistics doesn't come into it. Now if I had claimed that this proved that all dogs were brown, or that this proved that 60% of dogs were brown, then it might be time to talk about how many dogs there are that I haven't looked at, and how big my sample size was, and to discuss p-values, and to ask how random my sample was. But if I merely assert that this proves that there are brown dogs, how would statistics even be relevant to my assertion?
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Message 602 of 2887 (826138)
12-22-2017 11:45 PM
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12-22-2017 10:35 PM


Re: what a pathetic God/World/Univers Dredge markets
Tastes differ.

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Message 605 of 2887 (826176)
12-23-2017 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 604 by ICANT
12-23-2017 3:11 PM


Someone tell ICANT what "creationist" means.

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Message 611 of 2887 (826189)
12-24-2017 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 607 by Dredge
12-23-2017 11:35 PM


The evolutionists who says, "We have the fossils - we win" is the like the believer in aliens who says, "We have the crop circles - we win."
No.

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Message 614 of 2887 (826194)
12-25-2017 3:03 AM
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12-24-2017 4:46 PM


That doesn't look like a discussion of how we have the fossils and win.
If you want to be wrong about this stuff again, start a new thread or bump and old one.

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Message 626 of 2887 (826244)
12-27-2017 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 619 by Dredge
12-26-2017 12:35 AM


Re: theory and the scientific process
I will investigate this ridiculous claim. My expectation is that it is based on a vast amount of wishful thinking and vivid imagination, that is in turn is the product of an a priori commitment to the atheist belief that all life on earth evolved from microbes.
And as usual you are wrong.

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Message 627 of 2887 (826245)
12-27-2017 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 618 by Dredge
12-26-2017 12:05 AM


Re: what a pathetic God/World/Univers Dredge markets
No, that's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is, regardless of any religious beliefs, the theory that all ilfe on earth evolved from microbes is useless to science. So since that's what the argument is about, winning it is an irrelevance to the real world.
Makes you wonder why all those creationists are so sore about losing it, huh? Go explain to them why it doesn't matter. Why, there are even some creationists who debate evolution, as though that was worth spending their time on when it doesn't matter one way or the other. Such silly chaps they are.
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Message 640 of 2887 (828114)
02-10-2018 1:02 PM


Chimerarachne yingi
Beautifully preserved in amber.
Chimerarachne has spinnerets, making it a spider, but it still has a tail like a basal arachnid.
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Message 707 of 2887 (828489)
02-20-2018 1:09 AM
Reply to: Message 702 by Faith
02-18-2018 6:23 PM


Re: A Fair Assessment
OK. Now do you have an explanation for how the buried landscape that becomes a rock becomes a very flat slab of rock that in many examples in the stratigraphic column are quite horizontal and of a fairly uniform thickness?
This will naturally happen if the landscape is a flood plain, or a playa lake, or a seascape, or an erg. The vast majority of sediment currently being deposited is being deposited very flat.
That is, I would expect a deeply buried landscape that turned to rock to be quite lumpy and irregular, about as far as you could get from a flat slab.
Do we have to start showing you photographs of the geological record again? Or of the Appalachian mountains? You have been supplied with evidence and a lengthy explanation of what geologists do in fact claim.
But are we not wandering from the topic of how we have the fossils and win?

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Message 718 of 2887 (828546)
02-20-2018 11:34 PM
Reply to: Message 710 by Faith
02-20-2018 12:14 PM


Re: A Fair Assessment
Whatever you've showed me doesn't suffice to answer my questions.
Well, do you want pictures?
This is the ocean bed. It covers like 70% of the world's surface, and it looks like this.
It really is remarkably flat.

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Message 782 of 2887 (828642)
02-21-2018 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 763 by Faith
02-21-2018 4:15 PM


Re: A Fair Assessment
You don't understand how a flat slab of sediment, if lithified, produces a flat slab of sedimentary rock?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 825 of 2887 (828729)
02-23-2018 12:13 AM
Reply to: Message 823 by Faith
02-22-2018 11:00 PM


Re: A Fair Assessment
I've many times described my hypothesis of how the Great Unconformity came abour ...
That was the hypothesis that involves a zillion tons of rock disappearing into thin air in violation of basic physical law, yes?

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