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Yes, dear. Now go tidy your bedroom.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: Erosion don't take no time when it is caused by torrential continuous rain over every inch of Earth for forty days and nights. I've seen a three-day local rainfall make mud out of a hill and flood the lower areas Torrential rain over 40 days may erode some soil off some hills, though it's unlikely that much damage would be done. But rain, no matter how heavy, will nor erode rock over 40 days. If it was the case that heavy rain could erode rock that quickly we'd have no mountains now.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: We're not talking rock, we're talking dissolvable sediments, wtf is a dissolvable sediment? Earth does not dissolve.
and there were no high mountains before the Flood anyway. The discussion should really end here. No mountains 4,500 years ago? Lunacy.
Concentrate on what actually happens: Very sound advice, I suggest you take it.
Torrential rain over a few days in a local area saturates the land and carries it in streams and mudflows, It does no such thing - except for some isolated examples, heavy rain does not cause mass mudslides. We know the effects of flooding because we have floods. Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: The point of emphasizing the flatness of the strata is that it couldn't possibly have formed by the usual geological explanations. The rocks are too flat for that. You've been told that 70% of the earth is under the oceans and you've been told that a very large proportion of sedimentary rock formation is in the ocean and you've been shown that the floor of the ocean is mostly flat. Why don"t you address these points.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: Which has no relevance to my point. It has every relevance, that's why I bothered mentioning it. At least one reason you see large areas flat rock is because they're often formed under the oceans.
quote: That took 30 seconds to find https://www.nature.nps.gov/...s/DETO/HTML/ET_Sedimentary.htm
Where? I remember a picture of a part of the ocean floor which is clearly not as flat as the strata. Don't you do any research at all, do you just sit there making things up? The ocean floor is very varied with all sorts of structures in it but with huge expanses of 'prairies' - ie flatness. Escpesvially where sediments are being laid down. This took me well over a minute:
quote: Seabed - WikipediaJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: I know the canyon walls ccontain mostly marine fossils So we know that it's sedimentary rock and we know it's marine and we know that marine sedimentary is laid down over flat surfaces. Like snow flattens a landscape. What IS the problem?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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All of science says you're wrong. All of it. Moreover it can provide the evidence.
Are we supposed to take the incredulity of an unqualified fundamental Christian as equal counter-evidence? Perhaps not.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: Dr A implied it was mostly flat and Tangle took him seriously. I had nothing to do with it. Tangle writes: The ocean floor is very varied with all sorts of structures in it but with huge expanses of 'prairies' - ie flatness. Escpesvially where sediments are being laid down.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: My impression of what I read here, however, is that the judge was wrong. No shit!!! I'll add law to the long list of scientific disciplines that you know are wrong. Only Faith is right, always.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Edge writes: Remember, your 'waves' were supposed to destroy all life on the planet and yet after each of the 6 waves, there were creatures shown living at the time. And the force of the flood was strong enough to gouge out the pure rock of the Grand Canyon to a depth of thousands of feet yet left footprints in wet mud (and dinosaur nests complete with their eggs) in place. Almost like magic!Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: Nothing at all surprising about that. Well I'm surprised at least. The flood that carved through rock that doesn't remove muddy foorprints is pretty surprising don't you think?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: You obviously aren't bothering to think. The rising of the Flood would have covered and preserved things, while the receding water pouring down openings and cracks would have cut things in its path. But the strata that weren't cut remain intact with their contents preserved. You really aren't thinking at all. You'll just have to help my pitiful thinking out. You see, I'm struggling to recognise this gentle rising of water you describe here with the storms, torrential downpours, and explosive 'fountains of the deep' that took only 40 days to cover the whole earth to a depth higher than the mountains. Then receded with such power and erosion that it cut through thousands of meters of rock, whilst leaving intact fragile muddy footprints (and dinosaur poop). And I compare this mental image with another one of leaving wet footprints in the mud of a tidal estuary I fish in and seeing a very low wave from the incoming tide remove my prints in an instant. Maybe you can think for me? Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: Exactly It is ONLY the radiometric dating that shows it wrong, just one kind of evidence, and that's partly why I don't address it. That's not true is it Faith? You know that there are multiple different forms of dating from independent sources that all support the same conclusion about age. You don't address it because you know that you can't. But that's not even the beginning of it. We know there was no global flood because it's not there in the geological record. We also know that there are civilisations that existed before and after the dates you insist on that were amazingly undisturbed by it. If all the animals and plants on the planet were killed at the same time, we'd find evidence of it in every genome we sequenced. Then we have the fact of evolution and the fossil record supporting it, confirmed by molecular genetics. That's before we even consider the cosmological evidence. All these different and totally independent obsevations had led every branch of science in one direction for the last 200 years. But here you are with your ancient book that no-one knows who wrote telling us what a trilobite is one day and the next how complex sedimentation processes work. With no training in any of it. None. ICANT has been explaining big physics and quantum theory to us in a similar way having never studied physics and not getting beyond high school maths. You've never even seen a trilobite have you, let alone studied one? Yet you know better than the accumulated knowledge of hundreds of world experts. You sit there at your computer simply mking stuff up without the slightest concept of what's necessary to produce a real bit of science. You have no concept that your ad hoc ideas have to fit into all the other branches of evidence not just seem to make sense on their own. So you ignore the way fossils are sorted, you ignore dating methods, you ignore the hundreds of thousands of interlinked observations that make up the real story and substitute one primitive belief. It's a feat, Faith, I'll give you that; I certainly couldn't do it. I'd be schizoid in a week. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: The other methods you all use don't point to more than ten thousand years. So you accept that the earth is at least 10,000 years old?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: I think the dating methods show consistency in relative dating but I have to suspect that the absolute dates are wrong. It's a statistical impossibility to have consilience between dating methods but different 'absolute' dates. For this to be true several independent variables would need to be in error in different ways and yet converge on the same conclusion. And in any case we know the error range within each method which makes the calculation irrelevant. Moreover, the range between science's billions of years and your 6,000 years is so far outside any possible error to render the calculation redundant. You are avoiding looking at this area because you know it sinks everything you believe in.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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