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Message 413 of 2887 (776194)
01-09-2016 10:10 PM
Reply to: Message 412 by DrJones*
01-09-2016 7:03 PM


Well if you were a globalist, what would be the best way to supress genuine photos of giants?
Along those same lines a person advocating for the existence of giants but unable to to produce evidence or argue coherently would be the best way for the globalists to suppress real researchers of giants. obviously Big_Al35 is a globalist patsy.
It makes perfect sense doesn't it? He has already shown us that he knows what the globalist plans are AND his name is Big_Al35.....coincidence? I think not.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 417 of 2887 (776249)
01-10-2016 10:22 PM
Reply to: Message 416 by ringo
01-10-2016 2:34 PM


If the fossils exist, show us the fossils; let us examine them - figure out how old they are, etc. All photographs, whether genuine or fake, are second-rate evidence. Show us the real thing.
Obviously the fossils, those particular fossils, are in the Globalist Museum at an undisclosed location. The lack of giant fossils anywhere is proof that the Globalists have them all (at an undisclosed location).

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 493 of 2887 (824322)
11-26-2017 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 492 by Dr Adequate
11-26-2017 1:19 PM



What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 612 of 2887 (826190)
12-24-2017 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 606 by Dredge
12-23-2017 11:29 PM


Re: what a pathetic God/World/Univers Dredge markets
The conclusion/hypothesis that all life evolved from microbes is "nice to know" for atheists, but to science , it's "useless to know".
Pretty funny. I bet you have convinced lots of scientists.
You must be really pissed that now that you know all life evolved from microbes, you don't have any room left for any of that useful bible crap.
I can see the headlines now......"Australian Man's Head Explodes When He Tries To Cram One More Useless Fact Into His Pointless Mind!"
I know you never get tired of hearing it: Evolution, We Have The Fossils, We Win.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 703 of 2887 (828472)
02-18-2018 11:48 PM
Reply to: Message 702 by Faith
02-18-2018 6:23 PM


Re: A Fair Assessment
The scariness is compounded further by the Cheer given it by Tanypteryx
I'm glad you noticed.
Every time you see me cheering when someone states the truth about you and points out your ignorance, it is really a thousand cheers.
It is beyond amazing that you can't understand the simplest concepts of geology or any other science after all the time you have spent at EvC.
We have the fossils. We win, again and again.
Cheers

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 784 of 2887 (828651)
02-22-2018 1:30 AM
Reply to: Message 783 by Faith
02-22-2018 1:07 AM


Re: A Fair Assessment
There is no way you can get a flat slab of rock from a buried compresed landscape of any type.
Yep, you're right. You know what's as crazy as that? Getting thin flat sheets of paper made out of trees. Getting metal from rocks? yeah, right.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 916 of 2887 (828966)
02-27-2018 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 915 by Faith
02-27-2018 7:56 PM


Re: A Fair Assessment
So, what do you think about evolution and the fossils?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 999 of 2887 (829114)
03-03-2018 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 996 by Faith
03-03-2018 12:49 PM


Re: Just a few pictures
Faith writes:
Which ludicrous theory even ludicrously says you can get the knife-edge straight flat and tight contact I showed in the picture of the contact between the Coconino and the Hermit.
Two points here. 1. what you usually call "flat" is hardly flat, even in the way you are trying to make it out to be.
Photos galore show lengths of strata that are clearly straight and flat even after thousands of years since deposition. Not all are tight contacts but apparently you didn't see the one in Message 955 I keep referring to between the Coconino and the Hermit? Here it is again:
Showing a photo of a hundred foot stretch of exposed strata is hardly evidence that the contact is flat and level everywhere. This is not evidence for a single flood, but instead evidence for repeated floods and regressions. We know what evidence a flood leaves and it is not multiple distinct layers of different material (sandstone, limestone, shale, etc.). A flood cannot account for the Navajo Sandstone which is made up of lithified sand dunes, with marine sedimentary deposits above and below that you say were deposited by your flood.
How in the middle of a flood do intact sand dunes hundreds of feet thick get deposited?
Your scenario has hundreds of flaws in it, that have been pointed out to you repeatedly, that you refuse to account for.
Real world geology accounts for all of the evidence, while you make up "problems" for geology that don't exist, like huge swaths of flat, level strata that you say could not possibly exist for millions of years undisturbed, but the only reason you can come up with is your own incredulity. We point out that they are not all level, or flat, or undisturbed, but you brush aside that, because that isn't what you want to focus on.
There is no principle of geology that says regions of strata cannot remain intact and undisturbed for millions of years, but it turns out that your claims of non-disturbance or no erosion between layers are refuted by the evidence that can be seen by people who go out and look at actual rock layers.
The only part of the evidence that resembles your scenario is that some of the layers were deposited by water, period. That's it, nothing else in your fantasy resembles what the actual strata shows us. Water, that's all, not the strata, not the fossils, just water, and you don't even understand how water deposits sediment.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1031 of 2887 (829152)
03-03-2018 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1001 by Minnemooseus
03-03-2018 3:22 PM


Re: That huge reef structure washed in from somewhere else
Minnemooseus writes:
Clams that grew where they are found are very different from clams that were transported.
The more glaring and undeniably (although Faith will try) non-transportable item is a huge burried reef structure in the middle of the "Flood" deposits.
The reef in the middle of the "flood" deposits is a puzzler that can only be explained by geological science.
It seems to me that the Navajo Sandstone, also in the middle of the "flood" deposits, is even more unexplained and impossible to explain using flood fantasies.
First off, it's sand in the form of dunes with internal cross-bedding intact sitting on top of the Kayenta Formation with conformable and interfingering contact according to Wikipedia. It is below the Carmel Formation and Page and Temple Cap sandstones, separated by J-1 and J-2 unconformities, also from Wikipedia.
quote:
Extent: 102,300 sq mi (264,955.8 km2) - original extent of the Navajo Sand Sea may have been 2.5 times larger than this remaining outcrop that is up to 2,300 ft (700 m) thick. Wikipedia
Second, if a flood came along and washed over sand dunes all it would be is loose sand. Sand dunes are not rock or solid. Stuck between layers that were supposedly deposited in a single flood is a major fly in the flood ointment.
Third, the Navajo Sandstone is not flat or level anywhere and it never was since it was deposited.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1038 of 2887 (829165)
03-04-2018 12:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1033 by Faith
03-03-2018 11:02 PM


Re: That huge reef structure washed in from somewhere else
Yes the reef is a puzzler. I was thinking coral reef but even that is a puzzler. Well, we can't answer ALL the questions.
Modern geology can answer these questions, but YOU cannot.
Faith writes:
Nor were any of the sediments rock or solid at the time of their deposition.
We didn't say they were, but your scenario cannot account for the position of the reef, and it certainly cannot account for intact sand dunes supposedly deposited by the same flood that deposited the layers above and below.
Faith writes:
But sand dunes on top of a flat shale is just nonsense.
And yet there it is, obvious, lithified sand dunes sitting plunk on top of the Kayenta Formation. Why do you say it's nonsense when anyone can go and see it?
Faith writes:
Even the supposedly aerial crossbedding has to give somehow.
What? I have no idea what this means.
Faith writes:
And the appearance of the entire geological column with its remarkably identical strata (in form of course, not substance or size)
What is remarkably identical about the strata? It's all part of the crust of the planet rather than floating up in the sky? Remarkably identical, except different, got it.
Faith writes:
whether of marine content or land content, is strong evidence that they all were laid down in some identical fashion, which the Flood happens to provide.
Really? I guess by identical you mean, gravity caused all the sediments to settle on the bottom of the ocean or on the land. The Navajo Sandstone was clearly not deposited by water. Water just deposits sandstone not intact sand dunes. Get real.
Faith writes:
Tanypteryx writes:
Third, the Navajo Sandstone is not flat or level anywhere and it never was since it was deposited.
My impression of the Navajo sandstone has been that it just ran out of sand and got deposited in odd lumps here and there on the previous layer. It does not occur near the "middle" of the Flood as you say, but fairly near the top of the geologic column, and there's no reason to expect the Flood to make a whole layer if it doesn't have the material for it.
Well, your impression is wrong. Does 102,300 sq miiles and 2,300 feet thick sound like it ran out sand? It is between two layers deposited in water. Flood water does not deposit intact sand dunes. These layers could not have been deposited by the same event.
there's no reason to expect the Flood to make a whole layer if it doesn't have the material for it
Are you daft? Can you show us half a layer? Or maybe a quarter layer?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1043 of 2887 (829170)
03-04-2018 12:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1041 by Faith
03-04-2018 12:18 AM


Re: That huge reef structure washed in from somewhere else
The strata are identical IN FORM. As I said.
Yeah, they are rocks. How does that support your fantasy?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1044 of 2887 (829171)
03-04-2018 1:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1042 by Faith
03-04-2018 12:19 AM


Re: That huge reef structure washed in from somewhere else
Faith writes:
They aren't sand dunes, they never were sand dunes. They are identical in form with all the other strata of all the different sediments, they form a layer that looks like all the rest so they were deposited in water just as all the rest were. They are not sand dunes. That's just a ridiculously inappropriate inference.
Now you are just being silly. You cannot explain them so you deny they exist.
We all know you have nothing and you just proved it.
We have the fossils, we have the strata, we win.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1050 of 2887 (829190)
03-04-2018 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1045 by Faith
03-04-2018 4:40 AM


Re: all the same
No, they are flat, straight usually one-sediment rocks that extend great distances.
How did the fantasy flood sort them into "one-sediment rocks?" That isn't how floods deposit sediment.
From a medium distance the relatively undisturbed ones all look exactly the same in form -- different colors, different textures, same form.
Apparently, to you a medium distance is the distance from your eye to your computer screen.
It's ludicrous to think they were laid down by different processes millions of years apart
What's ludicrous is to think you know what you are talking about when you have never looked at the actual rocks, never walked on the actual rocks. The only reason you think it is ludicrous is a fairy tale book tells you so.
both marine and terrestrial strata are identical in form, and no matter how many millions of years are assigned to them they are identical in form
No they are not. There are numerous differences between marine and aeolian (terrestrial) strata, that is how we can tell if they are marine or aeolian.
which speaks to identical processes of deposition over a short period of time.
Nope. Only someone who has never studied the actual rocks and who is only interested in maintaining a fantasy, by denying actual evidence could say that. We know what flood features look like and no matter how many times you insist your fantasy flood was "special" none of the actual evidence supports you.
You really do not know how to assess evidence, how sad.
I do know that the evidence is out there in the exposed strata and I have actually gone out there and studied the actual rocks.
What is sad is someone who thinks an inaccurate not-to-scale drawing of a hundred + mile cross section is evidence.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1059 of 2887 (829199)
03-04-2018 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1055 by Faith
03-04-2018 12:56 PM


Re: all the same
I do know that the evidence is out there in the exposed strata and I have actually gone out there and studied the actual rocks.
You have to see them from a distance to see their form. Walking on them won't tell you anything about their form. You can look at a slice of carrot close up or under a microscope and know nothing about its form.
Ok, now I see where you went wrong.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1063 of 2887 (829203)
03-04-2018 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1060 by Faith
03-04-2018 1:02 PM


Re: Just a few pictures
I already have the relevant evidence, all the details would get worked out later in the normal life of any paradigm.
And when a normal person realizes that ALL the details show they are wrong, they abandon their failed paradigm.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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