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If you have won the argument that all life on earth evolved from microbes, then you have won nothing - it is completely useless information.

Tastes differ.

Granted, information is useless to microbes and creationists - but for the rest of us it's still nice to have.

Hi Edge,Sorry I had overlook this post and then got so busy with more important things that I did not get back to it until now. Began to exist, means exactly what it says.
Began to exist has nothing to say about how something began to exist.
Began to exist is the opposite of did not exist.According to the BBT the universe existed at T=0 +a billionth of a second.The scientific answer for what existed at T=0 is, "We don't know". The reason we don't know is that the mathamatics break down and can tell us nothing about whether some thing, or no thing existed at T=0Since the universe did exist at T=0+one billionth of a second some thing had to exist at T=0 to produce what existed at T=0+one billionth of a second.OR#1. The universe began to exist from the absence of anything. (no thing)
#2. The universe began to exist from forces outside the universe.I have been told here on many occasions that there is no thing that exist outside of the universe as it is self contained. Why would I argue for YECism when I am older universe than you or anyone else that post on this site. I am telling you that if there is no life there is nothing to evolve or was created. Thus there would be no discussion as we would not exist. It does not matter how that life began to exist, but since it does that gives us something to discuss. OK so you don't believe the universe has existed eternally in the past.Since it has not always existed then you must believe it had a beginning to exist as it does exist today.The Hebrew word we translate as created means something that has not existed begins to exist.So regardless of what theory you believe concerning how the universe began to exist since you don't believe it has always existed you are a creationist.But no when you discuss creationist you only want to talk about YECism not creatonismGod Bless,

Someone tell ICANT what "creationist" means.

The conclusion/hypothesis that all life evolved from microbes is "nice to know" for atheists, but to science , it's "useless to know". So for all intents and purposes, it's a philosophical/psychological argument, not a scientific one.

The evolutionists who says, "We have the fossils - we win" is the like the believer in aliens who says, "We have the crop circles - we win."

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Your questions are too deep for my shallow, fragile, egg-shell mind. Please do not ask them again.

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I never said you have a shallow, fragile, egg-shell mind.Were you saying I did?(How many times can I ask this one?)

Yes, dear. Now go tidy your bedroom.

So, what you're saying is that scientific knowledge which explains things about the natural world is "useless" if it contradicts someone's religious beliefs?

No.

Pretty funny. I bet you have convinced lots of scientists.You must be really pissed that now that you know all life evolved from microbes, you don't have any room left for any of that useful bible crap.I can see the headlines now......"Australian Man's Head Explodes When He Tries To Cram One More Useless Fact Into His Pointless Mind!"I know you never get tired of hearing it: Evolution, We Have The Fossils, We Win.

Hi Dr. Better yet why don't you explain to ICANT how the universe began to exist if you do not believe it has existed eternally in the past.God Bless,

That doesn't look like a discussion of how we have the fossils and win.If you want to be wrong about this stuff again, start a new thread or bump and old one.

So far as I understand it, I think that the universe has existed for the whole of time, but not that it is infinitely old. Since the Earth's surface is not infinite, it must have an edge, and missing people, such as Lord Lucan, have fallen over it.