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Faith 
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Message 1454 of 1540 (826281)
12-27-2017 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1448 by Percy
12-27-2017 4:11 PM


Re: Does True Christian Faith Mean Loving All?
I guess a person befriending a gay neighbor who recently lost his partner of many decades doesn't count s love if we don't support gay marriage? Having the neighbot over to Thanksgiving dinner isn't love either, right? Taking him shopping because his eyes are going bad, does that count? Naa, only leftist politics counts as love in this weird upside-down modern world.
abe: As for abortion, there are churches all over this country that run crisis pregnancy centers to help girls and women with unwanted pregnancies. Some of them also run living quarters with room and board for the duration of the pregnancy. They offer counseling, help getting jobs or going back to school, help with adoption if that's the woman's choice, or with being able to care for the child herself. But that's not love I guess. Only killing the baby is love.
Then there are the Muslim refugees. I already described how many Christians are going to them in their refugee camps to give all kinds of needed help. But that's not love either, right?
Meanwhile, the topic here has not been about people but about law, doctrine, and so on. I do hate evil laws and doctrines, passionately.
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Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 1457 of 1540 (826288)
12-28-2017 5:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1456 by PaulK
12-28-2017 2:15 AM


Re: Tension from Faith
I added a paragraph to my answer to Phat to acknowledge that I missed his point.

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Message 1463 of 1540 (826301)
12-28-2017 12:59 PM
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12-28-2017 10:22 AM


Re: Does True Christian Faith Mean Loving All?
Why would I turn on him? I wouldn't support a wedding but I wouldn't end a friendship if he pursued it.
Defining murder as having control over your body is insane.
Helping the refugees where they are is the best we can do and it is loving them. The situation is NOT the same as with the Jews. We wouldn't refuse the Muslims if their ideology weren't murderous.
No idea what "mikey" refers to.
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Message 1464 of 1540 (826303)
12-28-2017 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1461 by Percy
12-28-2017 10:13 AM


Re: Tension from Faith
I have answered that evil accusation. I know God, I know the Bible, I understand Christian theology and I know how Satan works.

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Message 1465 of 1540 (826304)
12-28-2017 1:03 PM
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12-28-2017 9:55 AM


Re: Does True Christian Faith Mean Loving All?
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Ah, I see, you weren't being judgmental when you said we'll be sorry on judgment day. You weren't being judgmental when you said gays should be discriminated against. You weren't being judgmental when you called Islam a murderous religion.
Well, as usual you DON'T see anything at all.
I'm talking about the dictim to "judge not lest ye be judged" which refers to accusations of PERSONAL sins. I didn't mention anyone's personal sins in reference to judgment day, just the general hatred of God you all express. I said nothing about discriminating against gays, that's what the gay marriage law loves to imply but it's all a hoked up conspiracy. I don't condemn them for their personal sins either, we're all sinners. And just as I said I don't judge Muslims personally either, their personal sins are none of my business. But Islam is an ideology and I certainly DO judge muderous ideologies.
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Message 1466 of 1540 (826306)
12-28-2017 1:43 PM
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12-28-2017 10:13 AM


Re: Tension from Faith
Yes, I know what you were saying, and I explained why it was wrong. Others have put even more years into studying their theologies, and if the number of years spent in study is the yardstick by which the truth of a theology is measured, then your theology loses.
Obviously you DON'T know what I was saying. I said it proves I didn't make it up, nothing about whether it is true.
But of course it is in any case.
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Message 1467 of 1540 (826307)
12-28-2017 1:45 PM
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12-27-2017 3:58 PM


Re: Tension from Faith
The real end days are billions of years off.
Interesting. Yesterday a headline said Stephen Hawking believes we have 100 years left on this planet.

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Message 1468 of 1540 (826308)
12-28-2017 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1458 by PaulK
12-28-2017 6:21 AM


Re: Tension from Faith
I've argued every point made against me, there's nothing to admit. It's just a matter of time before the evidence of the Flood gets perfected and comes together. The gross facts themselves really should be enough to prove it anyway. I'm not talking about "winning." That's never going to happen in hidebound EvC. It will have to be acknowledged by more honest people a bit at a time until you can't ignore it.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 1470 of 1540 (826310)
12-28-2017 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1469 by Tangle
12-28-2017 1:59 PM


Re: Tension from Faith
Of course he's wrong.
And so is Percy.
But it did say ONE hundred:
Stephen Hawking: Humanity Only Has 100 Years Left on Earth Before Doomsday

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Message 1472 of 1540 (826313)
12-28-2017 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1471 by Percy
12-28-2017 2:17 PM


Re: Tension from Faith
How would you know whether you've been communing with the great deceiver?
Well, I know YOU have. That ought to be a clue.

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Message 1474 of 1540 (826316)
12-28-2017 2:45 PM
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12-28-2017 2:33 PM


Re: Tension from Faith
Strata and fossils. Nice straight flat strata just aren't going to form over millions of years, but water does form such layers; and fossils don't just lie down and die in families, and fossilization needs special conditions to occur, which the Flood would have provided. Those simple obvious facts require rethinking the fossil order since it can't possibly reflect billions of years of evolution.

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Faith 
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Message 1479 of 1540 (826321)
12-28-2017 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1475 by Percy
12-28-2017 3:04 PM


Re: Tension from Faith
I know by their DOCTRINE.
And I know right doctrine from the BIBLE as interpreted by hundreds of excellent preachers and theologians.
Your doctrine is totally unbiblical and in fact evil.
If Muslims never learn that their ideology is murderous and evil they will never be able to be saved, so certainly informing them of that fact is loving them.
I've studied for decades, thereforeI know I am not making up my theology, and in fact I know it is pretty standard Protestant evangelical theology.

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Faith 
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Message 1482 of 1540 (826324)
12-28-2017 10:51 PM
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12-28-2017 8:59 PM


Re: Tension from Faith
It is intended as service.
Please detail your objections.

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Message 1487 of 1540 (826345)
12-29-2017 9:11 AM
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12-29-2017 7:06 AM


Re: Tension from Faith
Then look at your doctrine.
Just to be clear, are you saying my doctrine is traditional Christian doctrine or not? Farther down you refer to my "mistaken version of Christianity" but it's hard to tell if you regard it as mistaken just because you prefer some other interpretational system, such as the Jesus Seminar or you actually think it's not the traditional doctrine.

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Faith 
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Message 1490 of 1540 (826354)
12-29-2017 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1484 by Percy
12-29-2017 7:40 AM


Re: Tension from Faith
To clarify: I originally quoted Matthew 23:33-35 to show that Jesus doesn't fit the portrait of blanket lovingness so erroneously imputed to Him here. He saves sinners by paying for their sins, which is certainly loving the sinner but far from ignoring or condoning sin, and eventually He will come in judgment against those who don't repent. That, I'm claiming, is traditional Bible-inerrancy Christianity. Are you saying it's not traditional, that I made it up, that I personally "latch onto" such passages for some purposes of my own, or it IS the traditional belief system as I said, but you think it's wrong, or what?
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Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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