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Message 73 of 123 (826343)
12-29-2017 9:09 AM

Reply to: Message 72 by Phat
12-29-2017 8:49 AM

Re: The definition of meeting God 2017

Phat writes:

Anyway, lets address this whole idea of what an ex-believer is.....

Why are you making this difficult? An ex-believer is someone who used to believe but now doesn't.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 75 of 123 (826351)
12-29-2017 9:30 AM

Reply to: Message 74 by Phat
12-29-2017 9:12 AM

Re: The definition of meeting God 2017

Phat writes:

I'm making it difficult because as adults, we shouldn't have to do a 180 on our worldview. We should be consistent.

Why? When we know something different to what we thought was true we change our minds surely?

This isn't simply about Santa Claus... it's about reality itself.

But it's absolutely about Santa Clause, the supernatural is not reality, that's the whole point. The ONLY reason you now believe in Jesus Christ and the only reason I used to is that we were taught it from birth and lived in a society where Christianity is normal. Had we been brought up in the Atlas mountains we would not believe it. That's a straight forward, undeniable fact.

A better question is why some people DON'T lose their beliefs. The reason seems to be that some people need the belief more than others but over time the number who do declines so in places like Scandanavia non-belief is the norm.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 79 of 123 (826373)
12-29-2017 11:13 AM

Reply to: Message 77 by Phat
12-29-2017 11:00 AM

Re: The definition of meeting God 2017

Phat writes:

You likely never fully believed in either one.

I believed totally in both.

You can't just hand wave it away like that - people really do belief exactly the way you do; then don't.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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