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ringo
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Message 550 of 591 (826471)
01-02-2018 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 549 by Phat
01-02-2018 12:00 PM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:
Beliefs don't just evaporate on their own. One consciously chooses to discard them.
Nonsense.
Phat writes:
You are choosing not to gamble.
That has nothing to do with belief.
Phat writes:
In a sense, choosing a belief is a bit like a gamble.
Choosing a belief is a gamble just like choosing a number on the roulette wheel is a gamble. But who actually chooses a belief? You're pretty much stuck with your parents' beliefs.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 402 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 552 of 591 (826697)
01-07-2018 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 551 by Phat
01-05-2018 3:43 AM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:
More properly I would say that I chose to believe.
You can choose to profess a belief (whether you actually believe it or not). Apologetics tends to be a form of whistling in the dark for people who wish they had the belief that they think they should have.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 402 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 555 of 591 (826761)
01-09-2018 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 553 by Phat
01-08-2018 4:21 PM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:
Not to mention that even if you did believe, the God you would embrace is likely much different from mine.
Because everybody makes up their own God.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 402 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 557 of 591 (827495)
01-26-2018 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 556 by Phat
01-09-2018 2:44 PM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:
Hopefully people at least try and believe in a bigger God than the one they can make up.
Ever hear of creationists? They're constantly trying to figure out how Goddidit.
Phat writes:
Is your imaginary God bigger than what science can prove?
quote:
Chaplain: Let us praise God. O Lord...
Congregation: O Lord...
Chaplain: ...Ooh, You are so big...
Congregation: ...ooh, You are so big...
Chaplain: ...So absolutely huge.
Congregation: ...So absolutely huge.
Chaplain: Gosh, we're all really impressed down here, I can tell You.
Congregation: Gosh, we're all really impressed down here, I can tell You.
Chaplain: Forgive us, O Lord, for this, our dreadful toadying, and...
Congregation: And barefaced flattery.
Chaplain: But You are so strong and, well, just so super.
Congregation: Fantastic.
Humphrey: Amen.
Congregation: Amen.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 402 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 559 of 591 (827792)
02-01-2018 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 558 by Phat
02-01-2018 2:40 AM


Re: Food For Thought
Phat writes:
In my opinion, belief is entirely a choice.
So choose to believe in Zeus.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 402 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 561 of 591 (827794)
02-01-2018 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 560 by Phat
02-01-2018 11:58 AM


Re: Food For Thought
Phat writes:
Why?
If you believe that you can choose to believe, why not demonstrate that you can?

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ringo
Member (Idle past 402 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 568 of 591 (827844)
02-02-2018 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 562 by Phat
02-01-2018 4:19 PM


Re: Food For Thought
Phat writes:
I have no need to believe in Zeus. He has nothing useful to offer me.
You have the same need for Zeus that you have for Jehovah. Why choose one over the other?
And if you really believe that you can choose, why not demonstrate that you can?

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ringo
Member (Idle past 402 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 575 of 591 (829823)
03-14-2018 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 569 by Phat
03-14-2018 11:14 AM


Re: Food For Thought
Phat writes:
Does a man have the same need for his Mother as he does for a random matronly figure whom he happens to meet?
Yes.
I have a cousin who lost both parents within a year when he was about fifty. He didn't find out until after they were gone that he was adopted. His needs were whatever they were and they were met however they were met.
Phat writes:
Could he have chosen anyone else?
Clearly yes.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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