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Message 61 of 79 (826533)
01-03-2018 3:00 PM
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01-03-2018 10:33 AM


AlexCaledin writes:

and what would be your responce if the evidence showed that you must crash your head against the nearest wall? (LOL)


What would that evidence look like?

We have evidence of what happens when people do bang their heads, either accidentally or on purpose. The evidence suggests that banging your head is generally not a good thing. So what evidence could indicate that it's a good thing?


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Message 62 of 79 (826541)
01-03-2018 11:01 PM
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01-03-2018 10:33 AM


and what would be your responce if the evidence showed that you must crash your head against the nearest wall? (LOL)

Silly question. Reminds me of this.


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Message 63 of 79 (826546)
01-04-2018 8:24 AM
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01-03-2018 3:00 PM


Look Before You Leap
Jumping off of a bridge is analogous to a Leap Of Faith. Perhaps after observation of the behavior of others, you concluded early on in life that faith was not a good trait to possess.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Message 64 of 79 (826564)
01-04-2018 10:56 AM
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05-28-2012 5:29 PM


Re: On isolation...
Abiogenesis, the SETI Institute, or anything in Darwinism that is untestable, yet speculated on and proclaimed as science.

I agree that it would be just fine to give Intelligent Design the same kind of speculation and pass that the SETI Institute gets in the science books. But I highly doubt that many ID folks would like the result; any such coverage would surely be highly dismissive.

However, with regards to testability, none of those things you mentioned is taught as a theory with the exception of evolution, which of course is testable to the point of being a theory. I assume that the theory of evolution is what you refer to as Darwinism, but I cannot be sure.


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Message 65 of 79 (826575)
01-04-2018 12:22 PM
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05-28-2012 5:29 PM


... untestable?
... anything in Darwinism that is untestable, yet speculated on and proclaimed as science.

Got an example that applies to evolution science and not some fantasy about what evolution is?

... Abiogenesis, ...

What about abiogenesis - as practiced by scientists - is not testable? Are not all the experiments they are doing tests of concept? Just askin ...

... Darwinism ...

Really, marc, you've been around here long enough to know that the science is called evolution and that the scientists study and test evolution concepts. At best "Darwinism" was the beginning of the science of evolution, but the science does not depend on Darwin, it depends on facts and evidence of evolution.

You should also know by now that using "Darwinism" just exhibits your ignorance and failure to understand.

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Message 66 of 79 (826585)
01-04-2018 1:47 PM
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01-04-2018 8:24 AM


Re: Look Before You Leap
Phat writes:

Jumping off of a bridge is analogous to a Leap Of Faith. Perhaps after observation of the behavior of others, you concluded early on in life that faith was not a good trait to possess.


Do you mean there's somebody who hasn't observed that jumping off a bridge is a bad idea?
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Message 67 of 79 (826587)
01-04-2018 2:08 PM
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01-04-2018 1:47 PM


Re: Look Before You Leap
Im referring to the analogy of a Leap of Faith. You likely would stand firm until you had evidence.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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ringo
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Message 68 of 79 (826588)
01-04-2018 2:09 PM
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01-04-2018 2:08 PM


Re: Look Before You Leap
Phat writes:

You likely would stand firm until you had evidence.


Evidence of what? That jumping off a bridge is a good idea?
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Message 69 of 79 (826594)
01-04-2018 3:46 PM
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01-03-2018 10:33 AM


and what would be your responce if the evidence showed that you must crash your head against the nearest wall? (LOL)

And what would be your response if the evidence showed that you should let strangers render you unconscious and then cut into you with knives?


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Message 70 of 79 (826604)
01-04-2018 8:42 PM
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01-04-2018 1:47 PM


Depends on the bridge, doesn't it?
There are a couple of bridges I know of that are used by kids to jump off into the river in the summer.

They line up, and the biggest danger is landing on top of someone else.

Enjoy


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Message 71 of 79 (826605)
01-04-2018 10:48 PM
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01-04-2018 2:09 PM


Re: Look Before You Leap
No, that a Leap of faith is a good idea. You evidently concluded that it was not, hence you never took the leap.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Message 72 of 79 (826611)
01-05-2018 6:27 AM
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01-04-2018 10:48 PM


Re: Look Before You Leap
The point Phat is that a leap of Faith is made without evidence. However in most instances there actually is some evidence. AIG's strategy is not based on Faith but rather on denial of available evidence. That is called a Leap of Stupidity.

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ringo
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Message 73 of 79 (826694)
01-07-2018 2:06 PM
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01-04-2018 10:48 PM


Re: Look Before You Leap
Phat writes:

No, that a Leap of faith is a good idea. You evidently concluded that it was not, hence you never took the leap.


A leap of faith would be jumping off the bridge without knowing how deep the water is. If you're honest, you wouldn't do it either. Your whole leap-of-faith analogy is just a copout.
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Message 74 of 79 (826741)
01-09-2018 5:00 AM
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01-07-2018 2:06 PM


Re: Look Before You Leap
Depends if it was Living Water or not.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Message 75 of 79 (826744)
01-09-2018 7:14 AM
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Re: Look Before You Leap
Come on Phat. Living Water? Sheesh!!!!!!!

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