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Author Topic:   Falsifying a young Universe. (re: Supernova 1987A)
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Message 565 of 948 (797839)
01-28-2017 1:21 AM
Reply to: Message 549 by RAZD
01-26-2017 12:46 PM


Re: Quick word to the wise
Yes time here can be measured. Notice it is here.
There IS no distance regardless of time! Time is essential is all distance. At least here in our spacetime where there is time. Is this really all that hard to get?

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Message 566 of 948 (797840)
01-28-2017 1:24 AM
Reply to: Message 547 by RAZD
01-26-2017 12:09 PM


Re: Does time pass in other star systems.
That was a long post. Let me at least address the issue of where time is in parallax. The mods are already threatening me here with suspensions. You think anyone could debate here in any honest way??!! Ha.
Anyhow time is part of spacetime. You with me so far? If then time is part of space...spacetime...the when we take a slice of space for a base line, that has to include time.

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Message 567 of 948 (797841)
01-28-2017 1:32 AM
Reply to: Message 550 by thingamabob
01-26-2017 2:05 PM


Re: Quick word to the wise
Could you explain how we experience time?
I can't see time. I can't feel time. I can't smell time. I can't hear time.
You get old. You take a train ride and it takes time. Everything takes time.
I do experience existence as I exist. I know there is duration as continual events take place in my existence.
That'll do er I guess.
Actually there is duration between events in existence that mankind
measures by something we have designated as time.
Even if we did not measure it, time goes by. The squirrel in your yard will die. The skunks will grow bigger....
But mankind did invent how to measure the duration in existence between events they observed.
Ok, fine, give man a little pat on the back. He made rolex watches and stuff.
How do you measure time?
What is time that you can measure it?
How do you measure radioactive decay?
You see how long they take.
The only things we can measure are length, width, height/depth and duration between events in existence.
So you cannot measure time in the distant universe?
So yes man designed a system to measure duration between events in existence.
Those who believe in God attribute that to Him first.
Edited by Admin, : Fix quote.

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Message 569 of 948 (797843)
01-28-2017 1:53 AM
Reply to: Message 554 by Dr Adequate
01-27-2017 10:13 AM


The 'planets happen to be almost the exact size of these....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLyBG4mqZ3s

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Message 570 of 948 (797844)
01-28-2017 1:54 AM
Reply to: Message 568 by Riggamortis
01-28-2017 1:48 AM


Re: Does time pass in other star systems.
Well, let's start out by asking if movement in all cases requires the same time?

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Message 571 of 948 (797845)
01-28-2017 1:56 AM
Reply to: Message 543 by dwise1
01-26-2017 10:22 AM


Re: Does time pass in other star systems.
Try to remember it is the claims of the standard model of cosmology, and science that we are asking someone to defend. Try to offer more than bad attitude.

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Message 582 of 948 (797941)
01-29-2017 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 572 by Riggamortis
01-28-2017 2:09 AM


Re: Does time pass in other star systems.
Guess who posed the question you rudely refuse to answer?

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Message 583 of 948 (797943)
01-29-2017 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 573 by thingamabob
01-28-2017 2:30 AM


Re: Quick word to the wise
I do not experience time by getting old. I get old because I exist. There is duration in existence between events that can be measured with the system mankind has devised.
Or with the cycles of the moon and etc man did not devise.
What is time that it can go by?
There is duration in existence that can be measured with the system mankind has devised.
If man is there he can measure it how he likes. If a money was noting time maybe it would have more to do with cycles of nature or something. What is time, you ask? Science doesn't know. If you claim it does then tell us.
What is the 'they' we are trying to see how long they take?
The isotopes being looked at.
Since I cannot see, feel, smell, or hear time I don't know what I would be trying to measure, anywhere in the universe.
Finally someone admitting they have no clue.
As I understand it God defined a period of light as a day. He defined a dark period as a night. He further defined the evening of a light period and the morning following a dark period as a day. He left the rest up to mankind to figure out.
Enjoy
Well, there was the bits about new moons, and years too. If Adam lived 930 years or so, then one assumes a year was a thing that they were familiar with.
Edited by time, : No reason given.

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Message 584 of 948 (797944)
01-29-2017 6:58 PM
Reply to: Message 581 by RAZD
01-29-2017 1:46 PM


Re: orbital speed
I was talking about the size of the objects going round something else, not the orbit patterns.
If we look at the link here
Forbidden - Stack Exchange
.....we see that objects can be quite small, and still have orbits due to gravity. Then there is the question of what gravity may be like if time and space are different! Then there is the question of what atomic orbits may be like if fundamental forces start to be different...etc. The deeper we look at the issue the more we see you don't know.

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Message 585 of 948 (797945)
01-29-2017 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 578 by Son Goku
01-28-2017 12:35 PM


The pictures of the atoms and the exoplanets were about the same size. You make too much of the comparison. Besides my last post dealt with that...

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Message 586 of 948 (797946)
01-29-2017 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 576 by Admin
01-28-2017 8:04 AM


Re: Time Suspended 24 Hours
I notice I was suspended, guess I missed it as I didn't post for a few days. I am suspending my posts here to punish you for awhile. Fraudulent biased mods will no longer receive responses from me either. Ha,

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Message 664 of 948 (826935)
01-14-2018 11:13 PM
Reply to: Message 647 by Stile
11-10-2017 12:43 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
quote:
As long as there are no issues while acting like the stars are far away, science will continue to act as if the stars are far away.
Kids have no issues acting like Santa will come down the chimney.

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Message 665 of 948 (826936)
01-14-2018 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 653 by jar
11-10-2017 7:53 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
Like you had a choice.

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Message 666 of 948 (826938)
01-14-2018 11:19 PM
Reply to: Message 648 by Percy
11-10-2017 2:01 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
quote:
We have hard evidence for how far away stars are..
Let's see it. You seem to believe you do. Ha.

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Message 670 of 948 (826984)
01-15-2018 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 668 by RAZD
01-15-2018 9:15 AM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
RAZD writes:
See Message 597 and Message 599 for why we know the distance to SN1987A
Not sure how you think space in our solar system is without time? The base line for the measurement is from the solar system you know, tens of millions of miles. To make that slice of space and time equal in your mind with other lines you draw to a star is assuming time exists not just on the base line, but all the way to the star and that is not known, only believed. So it is not known after all.

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