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Author Topic:   The Tension of Faith
New Cat's Eye
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Message 1520 of 1540 (827013)
01-15-2018 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1519 by PaulK
01-15-2018 1:59 PM


Re: Tension from Faith
Just like only you, yourself, can know if you intended to kill ?
Huh? Here, have some context:
quote:
The only people who get to decide if a statement is hateful or not are those who the statement is directed towards.
Definitely not the person declaring the statement.
That doesn't have anything to do with mens rea.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 1522 of 1540 (827018)
01-15-2018 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1521 by PaulK
01-15-2018 4:51 PM


Re: Tension from Faith
I think you are the one who needs context. You’re not replying directly to Stile. You are replying to Tangle, who introduced the idea of hate as an aggravating factoring sentencing.
Tangle's response to my direct reply to Stile is as irrelevant as you responding with mens rea.
When it comes to judging hate as a motive for a criminal act...
That has nothing to do with what I engaged Stile about. You should've went three of my messages back instead of just two.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 1525 of 1540 (827040)
01-16-2018 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1523 by Percy
01-15-2018 7:30 PM


Re: Tension from Faith
Oh, I don't know. Try burning a cross on someone's lawn or painting a swastika on a synagogue or participating in a lynching, and that's pretty conclusive that one has hate in their heart, unless maybe one is a psychopath.
Or a troll. Or prankster.
You had only one reply to Stile, Message 1502, the rest of your discussion was with Tangle.
The "rest of my discussion" was just telling Tangle they were off-point.
But Stile was as wrong as you. The law does have a say in whether a statement is hateful.
Me and Stile aren't talking about the law.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 1527 of 1540 (827062)
01-16-2018 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1526 by Stile
01-16-2018 12:16 PM


Re: Tension from Faith
I was attempting to point out the absurdity in prefacing statements with a disclaimer such as: "There is no hate in what I'm saying..."
Ah, I see. I did misunderstand.
Therefore, the person making a statement doesn't get to declare if there is "no hate" in what they're saying.
I don't really agree, but I understand.
But if someone takes offense... then that offense is fair to have.
I agree that the receiver may take offense, but I don't think there has to be hate there for that to happen. And I don't think offense taken means that there is hate there.
When I say "the statement contains hate" I'm talking about the emotion that resides in the hearts of those who hear/receive the statement.
Okay, well I only impose hatred to a statement via the sender and not the receiver.
But I'm not talking about the haters be hatin' type of hate - I'm talking about real emotional hatred.
Taking offense to something doesn't mean the person who said it was feeling hatred.
And no one gets to say "You're not allowed to feel offended... I said my statement didn't include any hate!" Because that's just a silly thing to say if you understand how people and feelings work.
That I agree with.
So, no need to reply. We're square. And I'm going inactive - this place sucks now. I'll see you on Battle.net (if I do).
Cheers, Stile.

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