WHY MANDATES ARE MANDATORY

Oh, this is going to be a fun one.From your Message 1722 in the The Trump Presidency thread: Gee, just like Faith, you say you're leaving, then you don't. Gee, just like Faith, you're crossing people off your list of who you'll talk to. Regardless how you "test out," you are not "politically center," not even close. You've never expressed a single centric let alone liberal attitude in all your time here. You are not being honest. What you're really not a fan of is having your inhumanity called for what it is. You'd prefer some kind of protective bubble for yourself where you're allowed to express your inhumanity but no one is allowed to comment on it. I've never found being outnumbered a problem, and I don't see why it should be a problem for you. I never had any trouble over at Evolution Fairy Tales, and I've never had any trouble when outnumbered here, either, for example, Trickle Down Economics - Does It Work? - you might remember it, you were a participant on the same side as me, and we were way outnumbered. On the contrary, I think you've already been very clear about what you really mean, you just don't like having your views characterized as uncaring, unsympathetic, uncompassionate, inhumane and even at times malevolent. We don't have to imagine the worst because you say it straight out. If you didn't mean to say them then don't say them. You don't leave much room for ambiguity. As I suggested earlier, maybe in another thread, click on the "New Cat's Eye Posts Only" link and read your own posts. You cannot separate the person from the attitude. What is one to think of a person who argues at length that those who march with Nazis chanting Nazi slogans have nothing in common with them but are just marching to save statues to racists? The natural conclusion is that he is a racist himself.If I argued at length that the scientific method is the best way to understand our universe, people would naturally conclude I'm science minded and would say so, for example, "So science is your religion," the actual words to me from Fred Williams who runs Evolution Fairy Tale website. Well, if you're going to argue at length that those marching with Nazis could be very fine people then guess what people are going to conclude about you? It ain't gonna be that you're a very fine person yourself. Express an opinion on some significant topic where you hold a position substantially contrary to Trump's. Again, I don't think you're being honest. Who'd you vote for? You're misdescribing the discussion, so the RollEyes should be directed at yourself. Nobody was arguing that statue supporters are Nazis. Your argument was that marching statue supporters were joined by a Nazi or two and then the entire group was mistaken for Nazis. See for example your Message 1114, then read forward. As I said in Message 1134, "You *are* pretty much communicating the same message as Trump. If you don't want to look like him, don't join him."You've been playing this "I believe all the same things Trump does but I don't support Trump" game for a long time. You can't support most of Trump's ideas without supporting Trump. If you think you can the only person you're fooling is yourself. I can understand people having a strong reluctance of aligning themselves with someone as repugnant as Trump, but if you go down the list of the five or six most important political issues of the day you'll see that on most of them you and Trump are like peas in a pod. If the shoe fits... You're using your dislike of government involvement as an excuse for inhumanity. The conclusion was that you believe your success is solely due to your own qualities independent of your membership in a supportive community, and that conclusion did not emerge from the healthcare discussion but stems from your statements in other threads. People are reflecting your own attitudes back to you, and it isn't pretty, is it. PaulK has already corrected you on this in Message 53. But it isn't just guns, is it. You seem to be having trouble facing the reality of who you really are and what your attitudes really say about you. I don't think anything said about you here has been false, and the only one trolling here is you, by your own admission on several occasions. For example, this is from Message 1 of the Learning How to Pray After Finding God, from the perspective of a born again Catholic thread that you started: You like to troll those you disagree with, and you admit that you argue positions you don't actually hold without letting anyone know that that's what you're doing, wasting the time of people who believe you sincere. That's basically what we're telling you, "No thanks" to your messages of hate and inhumanity. You're telling us that what you write tells us nothing about you? If you believe that then, again, the only person you're fooling is yourself. Plus you were pretty revealing in your Learning How to Pray After Finding God, from the perspective of a born again Catholic thread. Or are you telling us that you were trolling us then, too. We're treating the specifics of what you say, not treating everything as black or white. Give us something positive to go on. For example, tell us how you feel about immigration (not here, over in the Trump thread). No one believes you really care whether Trump used the term "shithole countries", and if you think you do then, once again, you're only fooling yourself that it's not a thinly disguised defense of Trump. Or for another example, what do you think of this from US border patrol routinely sabotages water left for migrants, report says:

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United States border patrol agents routinely vandalise containers of water and other supplies left in the Arizona desert for migrants, condemning people to die of thirst in baking temperatures, according to two humanitarian groups.
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The report also accused border patrol agents of vandalising food and blankets and harassing volunteers in the field.

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Okay, not okay, or morally repugnant? Again, don't respond here, but over at The Trump Presidency. You only tell people you're advocating a position you do not hold after the fact, not before. That's reprehensible. Shame on you. If there are any lies then they are coming from you. People have told you the truth about the lack of moral quality in the views you espouse. You can defend your views or not, but you cannot with any moral integrity call their characterization lies. You cannot elevate the criticism of your views to the level of some moral injustice. This is a debate site. You've posted morally reprehensible views. They've been criticized. Stand tall, take that criticism, and forthrightly deal with it if what you say has any merit. Phat should serve as a shining role model for you, for he has endured far more scathing criticism at the hands of Jar than you have at the hands of anyone else here, and he has handled it with grace and aplomb.I don't read every thread, so maybe I'm wrong about this, but it seemed as if you were gone for a month and then suddenly returned and splattered posts all over. I don't know what's going on in your life, but you've talked about some of your problems and I wish you well. I hope you're not an addict again. If you're bipolar I hope medication is working. But your problems in real life that you recently complained about should not cause you to come here and cause further problems. The topic started out as mandates and evolved into affordable healthcare insurance. To pick up where we left off, if you truly care about people and want affordable healthcare to be generally available but don't want the government involved, then give some indication you care instead of just saying, in effect, "Tough noogies, suffer."--Percy

Fun facts: Many tennis players make Monaco their official country of residence because it has no income tax. Monaco has no defense budget because its defense is provided by France. Dubai is another tax haven with no income tax, but revenue is from a variety of sources, not gambling. The EU recently blacklisted 17 countries as tax havens, but not Monaco or Dubai, so go figure.--Percy