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NoNukes Inactive Member
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f NCE had stuck to simply claiming that some - not the - people in the room had said that I wouldn’t be complaining. What NCE said is worth complaining about either way. There is sufficient evidence to conclude that Trump made the statements, and there is even more now than then. Labelling all of the evidence hearsay and then bolting was complete BS. It seems to me that NCE was engaging in the Bolderdash-like tactic of showing up to decry that a discussion was taking place without having the least inclination to contribute. My guess is that he is still irked about the discussion that prompted him to take his short vacation from EvC. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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Percy Member Posts: 22478 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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NoNukes writes: saying (in effect), "America is a country of ideals, not people." Uh, I hope he did not say that. Yeah, misstated it. Looking it up this time, what Graham is reported to have actually said was, "America is an idea, not a race." In a statement released later he said, "I've always believed that America is an idea, not defined by its people but by its ideals." --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22478 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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The congressmen in both houses are behaving like they don't realize that Congress is a co-equal branch of government, not President Trump's lapdog. Their reaction today to Republican Jeff Flake's (R-AZ) speech that was deeply critical of Trump (see my Message 1740) was either silence or criticism. The only Republican to express support was Senator John McCain, whose op-ed appeared in today's Washington Post (Mr. President, stop attacking the press).
The article Flake rankles fellow Republicans with Trump takedowns describes some of the Republican reaction, which I summarize here:
Republican party, you're a disgrace. You Republicans out there, write your congressmen (you do it through websites these days, not through actual letters) and tell them that Trump is not their boss. They do not have to kowtow to him. This is not the imperial presidency. Work for the conservative causes they believe in by all means, but stop acting as enablers for this insane president. --Percy
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
caffeine writes:
quote: Strange how she seemed to remember Graham's quoting of Trump but not Trump's original statement that Graham was quoting. To me, it seems that she is so inured to Trump's statements (both the vulgarity and the blatant racism) that she no longer notices it. It's how you can not be phased by hearing your racist relative talk about the and yet be flabbergasted when you see a clip of Florence Henderson swearing when she messes up a line for a commercial ("Mrs. Brady swea-ears!"...and I can't find a clip of it, alas.) Either that, or she's just flat-out lying. Then, of course, there's the doctor who just came out and said that Trump is in "excellent health" despite being (at best) borderline obese and with LDL and calcium numbers that clearly indicate heart disease. Now, I'm not going to say that he's deathly ill...after all, the risk of a major coronary event for someone with calcium levels of his (which indicate plaques have already formed) is for within the next 3-5 years. But why not just say that? Why the hyperbole and evasion? Would it really have been problematic to say, "Mr. Trump is showing some signs of heart disease which are common for people of his sex, age, and race, but they can be easily managed through diet, exercise, and certain medications. His tests show that he is in good general health at the present moment and we hope to continue that trend through some changes in his lifestyle"? And worse, the doc admitted that Trump pushed him on what to say. I would hope that a doctor (and a Rear Admiral in the Navy at that) would have more integrity.Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
A few of those guys have responses that don't look completely partisan
[Trump had not been too aggressive] up until now, that I know of. I don’t believe in attacking the media. Unless they’re wrong on something. I just don’t think that’s our job. I am having a hard time sorting out what Tillis is saying... Daines did seem to acknowledge a problem before slamming Obama for something that even if true, really isn't on par with the issues regarding Trump anyway. I don't know how much access you have to Republic leaning folks, but I saw folks expressing their opinions today on Quora. What I see quite often is supporters who are happy that their president is not PC and speaks his mind. And that is their reaction even to the Trump's "shithouse/hole" stuff. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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Percy Member Posts: 22478 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Gallop releases an annual poll of worldwide approval of the leadership of four nations: The United States, China, Russia and Germany. 2017 saw a steep decline in the approval rating of the United States from 48% to 30%, an historic low. A graph of the ratings since 2007, when the poll began, can be found on page 2 of Rating World Leaders: 2018
The U.S. vs. Germany, China and Russia. Here's the data for the last two years 2016:
2017:
How about that, our leadership is viewed as just a few percentage points above Russia. Last year when Obama was president we were 22 percentage points above Russia. Amazing what Trump has accomplished in just a single year. Politico article: Poll: Under Trump, global approval of U.S. leadership hits historical low --Percy
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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I don't kow much about politics; but I do know that The US lost a lot of credibility since Trump became President. The Chinese are really starting to look like the dominant Superpower; both economically and diplomatically.
Their military might can't easily be discarded either. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Percy Member Posts: 22478 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
NoNukes writes: A few of those guys have responses that don't look completely partisan
Hatch is saying that Trump's criticism of the press has not been inappropriate, because attacking the media is okay when they're wrong. Short of when they're wrong, criticizing the media is not the job of politicians. The article from which this was taken (Flake rankles fellow Republicans with Trump takedowns) might make it more clear, so I'll just quote the portion from it that's about Hatch:
quote: I am having a hard time sorting out what Tillis is saying... Here's what Tillis said:
Translating, he's saying that Flake is exaggerating the problem, and he's making people more concerned about presidential press criticism than they ought to be.
I don't know how much access you have to Republic leaning folks, but I saw folks expressing their opinions today on Quora. What I see quite often is supporters who are happy that their president is not PC and speaks his mind. And that is their reaction even to the Trump's "shithouse/hole" stuff. The New York Times ran a collection of letters from Trump supporters about how they felt about Trump one year after he took office: ‘Vision, Chutzpah and Some Testosterone’. The first one was typical:
quote: --Percy Edited by Percy, : Clarify.
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Percy Member Posts: 22478 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Two hours ago on NPR: Kelly Says Trump Now Believes Border Wall Is Unnecessary
quote: 38 minutes ago in the New York Times: Trump Denies Changing His Position on Border Wall quote: They'll be a hot time in the Oval Office today, you betcha! --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22478 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Here is a fun and serious video by Samantha Bee of Full Frontal about a neglected and significant segment of the working class:
This is one of those, "Watch it you won't regret it," ones. --Percy
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Hatch is saying that Trump's criticism of the press has not been inappropriate What did Hatch mean by "up until now"? Was that a statement that Trump had finally crossed a line?
Translating, he's saying that Flake is exaggerating the problem Yes, but that is an acknowledgment of a problem. That's what I mean by not completely partisan. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1044 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
The fake new awards Trump banged on about on Twitter have now been published on GOP.com (is that the RNC's official website?)
Apparently the delay in their publication was because Trump hadn't got round to it, since it doesn't look like much work was put into it. There's no categories for the awards or anything, it's just a list of his (or the aide who wrote its) top ten Fake News from 2017; plus:
quote: Absent are dates, urls, or the sort of details that would make it easier to check the actual content of the original reports. I'm not sure if this is an intentional attempt to conceal exagerrations or just a result of the fact that this blog post was banged together in 5 minutes without much effort. One looks like Trump doesn't distinguish between 'Washington Post reported' and 'Washington Post journalist tweeted', but that's not surprising, ABE: A quick bit of looking around reveals that two of the ten were tweets by journalists rather than news stories; and further that in almost all the chosen cases the news organisation admitted a mistake and issued corrections. So if 'fake news' actually means cases where a news organisation made a mistake and apologised, I assume we can treat all the stories that have not been retracted as reliable? Edited by caffeine, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
There's no categories for the awards or anything, it's just a list of his (or the aide who wrote its) top ten Fake News from 2017; plus: It is a half-hearted attempt but probably sufficient for its purpose. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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Percy Member Posts: 22478 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
NoNukes writes: Hatch is saying that Trump's criticism of the press has not been inappropriate
What did Hatch mean by "up until now"? Was that a statement that Trump had finally crossed a line? My interpretation was that he made a poor choice and words and meant "right up through the present moment".
Translating, he's saying that Flake is exaggerating the problem Yes, but that is an acknowledgment of a problem. That's what I mean by not completely partisan. You might be right, but I wasn't expecting what I said to be interpreted that way. Rephrasing what I said more precisely, he's saying that Flake is exaggerating the issue to make it seem more of a problem than it actually is, and is thereby causing a more heightened level of concern than is appropriate. So you're right that he's saying some level of concern is called for, but to me he's saying it in a way that indicates it isn't really anything to worry much about. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22478 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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As I've said a couple times in this thread, there is nothing more risky than being a Trump friend, and today an editorial in the Washington Post endorses the same view: The man-child in the White House reels wildly out of control. Here are a few excerpts:
quote: --Percy
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