But Dupont doesn't say "The Miracles of Engineering".
No, but to them, the science is done. They are engineers. The bring us the rewards of science.
Science is a subject. Just like the study of a language, or history, or mathematics, or many other things. All those subjects can and do provide knowledge that science can't provide. Science has long been controlled by people who choose to use it as a weapon against religion. The only way they can successfully do that is by taking it beyond its bounds, taking where it interferes with and conflicts with knowledge of other subjects.
Oh, don't play the persecution card again.
Maybe it is religion that is interfering with us learning about the natural world.
Atheism declares there is no God.
More accurately, atheism declares that no god is necessary.
Dupont's use of science doesn't declare that at all. "Secular" best describes what they do. Secular is what science is supposed to be. And it should STOP when it gets near other subjects.
Science is secular. If you see that as a threat, we cannot help you.
Maybe religion should stop when it gets into discussions of the origin of the universe.
But it long ago quit doing that. Why? Could it be power and money?
I am sorry that science is too hard for YECs to do.
Darwin had a hard time also, but he realized that he just had to keep collecting evidence.
Why can't YECs figure that out?
It was an AED who started this thread, and spent many hours in this thread and others trying to make a convincing argument for it. It's safe to say that AED's have spent much more time trying to convince as many people as possible that the earth is old than have YEC's tried to show the earth is young.
Well, then, what are you doing here? Get back to the lab and find more evidence.
The reason is simple, Darwinist's HAVE to have an old earth, the earth's age isn't as critical to YEC's.
THen why are you so exercised about it?
Hey, all you need is evidence and then you got something.
Any scenario like that can fit with YEC, it can't fit with AED. That's the reason for the AED agonizing, it requires near perfection in the earth's climate for millions of years.
I'm not sure how you get that. Climate has been changing for millions of years.
What is 'perfect climate' by the way?
Yes, I did a little "model building" here years ago. I'm not going to search for it, but the AED's here had a fit, I remember that. I showed how if the earth was scaled down to the size of a grain of sand, located in New York City, one light-year away would be about as far as Atlanta Georgia. The nearest star to earth, about 4 light-years away, would be well out over the Pacific ocean from NY City. We can do some testing and falsifying concerning the activities of our own solar system, but beyond that, the distances are too great for it to be science. It's fun to guess about what might be going on, but guessing is all it is.
What makes distances 'too great for science'? Were the oceans 'too big' at one time? What happened there?
Do you realize that your exercise didn't really science? It was an explanation of scale. Do you think that you actually expanded the knowledge base of the human species?
But there is a big difference in what they do versus atheist philosophy like how old the earth might be, or how all of reality can be explained with only rearrangement processes.
Then how do we extend the frontier of knowledge if we don't look for ways to test the frontier?
Today's scientific community is trying to seamlessly combine 2 distinctively different processes in science, one here-and-now materials-science, versus atheist philosophy.
There are a lot of Christian scientists out there who are going to be shocked that they are accomplishing atheist ends.
I suggest you think about that again.
That way when anything they propose, including liberal politics, is questioned by anyone whose knowledge is in subjects other than science, those questioners can then be accused of being "anti science".
Maybe it is you who is conflating science with religion.
Perhaps you are projecting.
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