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ringo writes: But it does preclude knowledge of his non-existence. My problem with this kind of statement is that I don't think it actually means anything.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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ringo writes: On the contrary, it's thoroughly relevant. All knowledge builds on previous knowledge. There is no such thing as a discovery in a vacuum. The idea exists before the discovery. (Not all ideas become discoveries, of course.) Are you sure? It seems to me that we stumble across most things, then try to explain them. The Higgs was just a perfect example of exactly the opposite. The bacteria seems more likely to be some guy playing with a new toy, and it's enemy penicillin was a happy accident. Let's face it we do both, explore and explain and deduce and prove.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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ringo writes: How do we explain them except in the context of what is already known? If we already knew how to explain it, it wouldn't be either new or requiring explanation. Knowledge is additive, of course, but some things break a paradigm and change everything - ToE is one, quantum theory is another. A discovery of a genuine, nickel plated god would be another. The thing is, the god hypothesis isn't exactly new is it? The entire planet has been looking for this thing since the dawn of humanity with nothing to show for it but human corruption and wishful thinking. Personally, I'm entirely happy to rule out any and all the Gods we've so far invented, but leave open, as an outside possibility, the chance that one day a thoroughly disinterested god will be found playing dominos with himself in another dimension. (You can't rule it out can you?)Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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ringo writes:
Straggler writes:Do you know that the Sun will rise tomorrow? Ringo writes No. This kind of nonsense is quite easily resolved. Will you bet me $1,000 that the sun won't come up tomorrow? I'll happily take ANY odds you like.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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This has degenerated in pointless, linguistic twaddle.
Splitting hairs over stupid points of definitinal trivia is possibly the only thing in this place that really pisses me off. It debiltates honest discussion, wastes days of everyone's time, derails whole threads, creates artificially hardened positions and avoid the real issues. "I don't know that the sun will come up tomorrow" ffs, then we don't know anything at all and never can. Pfffnrrr....... /rant.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android |
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
what a pity he failed to provide links to the source of those wonderful photos - I wonder why that is?
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
In summary, as soon as it was clear (virtually immediately) that nothing could be actually proved one way or the other factually, the thread degenerated into linguistic twaddle - as it always has and always will.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Gosh the Anthropic Principle, I wonder if anyone has thought of an answer to that one?
Does it also prove that it's the Jewish God that created the universe and the ever so faulty foreskin? You're terribly fond of the quote mine too. As you're so good at it, why don't you save us the trouble of quoting all the other guys that say the opposite - you can even get them wrong too if you like. Thing is, no-one is impressed with anything other than evidence and argument - why not have a bash at that instead of the nonsense your spurting at the moment?Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat writes: One notable attribute of believers in God vs Santa is that most of the God believers are otherwise rational adults. People are complex. They are quite capable of holding contradictory ideas and beliefs without breaking their minds. Belief in god(s) is bounded irrationality, it doesn't have to corrupt the rest of a persons thinking but you don't have to look very far on these boards to see that it often does.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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AC writes: Atheists "rationally" hope to attain unto perfect non-existence)))) I've read this several times but it still doesn't make any sense. What are you trying to say?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Well ok, if you're happy to post stuff that doesn't make sense, I'm happy to ignore you.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Alex writes: ahteists are damn great experts in making "straw gods" and disproving them . . . Is there any other form of god? btw, no one - not even almight atheists - can disprove the existence of god. Did you mean something else?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Rrhain writes: Science is brilliant at proving things false. [] So yeah, it's trivial to disprove the existence of god. Ok, so let's see you disprove the existence of god. Scientifically.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat writes: And yet we were created in His imagination. When God imagines, He creates.sez me. Doesn't it worry you at all how easily you can make these things up? All you have to do is imagine it and it becomes true for you.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Rrhain writes: You know what the process is, Tangle. Didn't you read the post before you responded? Sure I know what the process is and yes I did read your post. To remind you, it's for those making the claim to back it up. Burden of proof and all that.
You need to tell me what you mean by "god." See, if I come up with the definition, you'll accuse me of using a "straw god." Burden of proof, and all that. You need to tell us what is meant by "god" and then we'll go to work seeing if there's a disproof for it. If your definition is so vague as to be untestable, one will then wonder how one can claim existence of such a thing that has no effect that is tangible or detectable. The plan here is to spend 50 pages farting around with dictionaries and pseudo-logic - not interested, sorry. We all fully understand what a decent enough god would be, why don't you pick a defininition that you're happiest with then use science to disprove it and we'll see how you get on.
You have to go first. Nope. Your claim, your go, I'm all ears.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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