Creation

Hi Mod, I don't know what your wager was but you lost. I use a scholars program for Greek and Hebrew. One that is used in making translations of the original texts we have.And yes I check Blue letter Bible as a quick reference.εἱλίσσω means sweat.είλισσόμενον means melting.ίδρώς means perspiration.μενον means me. If I could find you one it would be a false translation.There is no Greek text that has εἱλίσσω in it. Revelation 6:14.You even quoted Revelation 6:14 from the Greek TR text and it does not have εἱλίσσω in it.God Bless,

Hi Mod, Sorry for taking so long to get back to this.The program had received an update that included a bunch of erroneous information. This information had to be purged and restored to the old version and I have finally got it back to where it should be.Strong #1507 εἱλίσσω does not appear in the original text regardless of what any program or anyone says it means.I find no definition for this word.Strong #1667 ελίσσωThis Greek word I find a definition for it. To roll up, to coil, roll, rolled.είλισσόμενον does appear in the original text.I find no strong's # for this word nor do I find a definition. It is used in the Textus Receptus, Morphological Greek New Testament, and the Septuagint 1 time in each. So far I haven't found it in early Greek literature. It makes no difference what anyone says εἱλίσσω is not in the Greek Text.God Bless,

Hi DOCJ,
Welcome to the fray. Don't you know science does not have to have any basis for anything?All you need is an assumption that the universe that existed at the point you mentioned and did not exist 1 billionth of a second earlier by some miracle began to exist. Then it began to expand into itself as there is nothing outside of that little pea sized thing that existed, and nothing exists outside of it still.That sounds just as believable as a lot of the things YEC'S post.God Bless,

Hi creation, No there is no sun mentioned in the scripture and none needed to cause the universe to melt.Scientist is the ones who think the sun is going to melt the earth not the universe.The only Scientist who believe the universe is going to melt is those who believe in some version of the bounce theory. That sounds just as plausible as what they have told me. Why would Peter mean just the earth and refer to the heavens and the earth?That is the same phrase as found in Genesis 1:1 when they were created.When sin entered into the universe everything in it was un-pure. It all must be purified by fire and a new heaven and a new earth created for Revelation 21:1 to be true. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
The Hebrew word that is translated created is a verb 1ps perfect.The Hebrew language in which the Bible was written had no tenses. It only had verbs of action. They were either perfect (completed action) or imperfect (incomplete action)Because a perfect verb was used the heavens and the earth and everything in existence in it began to exist in the first light period that ended with the darkness created that covered the earth as found in Genesis 1:2. Other that the things created in the other 2 creation events.Event 2 Genesis 1:21 "And God created great whales", nothing else in this verse is created as it was call forth in verse 20.Event 3 Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."Now if you can show me where anything else was created please present the Scripture.I believe the universe and everything in it was created in 6 periods of light and 6 periods of darkness and the seventh light period God created nothing else as He ceased from His work.God did not lie when He declared, "the evening", of the first period of light and the "morning" that closed the first period of darkness, "יום אתד". (translation Day One.)So no I don't put billions of years into time as we know it as it has only existed as we know it. Until God set to great lights in the firmament to rule the day and night there was no time as we know it.I believe creation event #2 and #3 took place about 6,000 years ago according to the rotation of our earth in relation to the sun.As to when the 1st creation event took place there is no way of knowing when that event took place other than to say it took place in the first light period that ended with the darkness found in Genesis 1:2.Now if you think time is a dimension like some, I will ask you as I have asked others to tell me how to measure time. You can not measure it with a watch as they only measures the duration between events.Time is the duration of existence between events in eternity that we measure by various means based on the rotation of the earth in relation to the sun.God Bless,

Hi ringo, You have a lot of faith don' you.God Bless,

Hi ringo, It seems to me that the man writing about the events of Genesis chapter 1 was above some events looking on what was taking place and at other times standing on the water looking up and eventually on the ground looking up and outHe spent 80 days and nights in the mount with God in which God could have showed him the events as they took place.

Hi ringo, Could you point out the scriptures that support such an assertion as they thought of it as "a solid dome over the earth"?I can not find an instance in the Bible that refers to a solid dome.I do find where those who rendered raki'a by firmamentum regarded it as a solid body. That means it came from the Latin Vulgate which did not exist until the 4th century AD and not from the Hebrew text.Besides the waters that are above is said to be above the heavens that means at least 2 heavens which would put it above the edge of our universe. Opps I forgot there is nothing outside the universe.God Bless,

Hi ringo, Produce the evidence to support your assertion.I can find mistakes throughout translations but I don't find any on the oldest manuscripts we have on the first page.God Bless,

Hi ringo, Last I heard the sun was part of the universe.Since the Universe existed complete at the end of verse 1 there is no plants before the sun.Either you are mistaken or whoever you are talking behind do not know what they are talking about.God Bless,

Hi NoNukes,Did you put me back on your talk to list? But we are not talking about the BBT. It does not start until the universe exists.In other words we are talking about where it came from.Now if you know of any evidence of T=0 I am all ears. The only scientific answer I have been given to date is: "we don't know".To me, "we don't know" translates into we will assume it exists and then go from there. And I nor anyone else should question what the BBT says.

Hi ringo, First thing is that Wikipedia is not an authority on Biblical Hebrew.Never the less it does tell you where the domed earth belief came from. It states plainly that it came from the Latin Vulgate which is not the Hebrew text. The Latin Vulgate was translated by the Catholic Church.I like Gods definition of raki'a better than that of any man or woman.

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Genesis 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

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Remember that whatever it is it begins at the surface of the water and extends upwards to wherever water exists. That could mean it is even outside of our milky way.So God called the expanse which is one of the definitions of raki'a, heaven which is the sky, even to where the stars are and including them.God Bless,

Hi ringo, And you know that because________________God Bless,

Hi ringo, My Bible Language degrees and further studies would disagree with you. But the nearest stars to Earth are in the Alpha Centauri triple-star system, about 4.37 light years away.The star Deneb is the farthest star that can be easily seen with the naked eye. It is thought to be between 1,400 and 3,000 light years from Earth.So if those are attached to the ceiling as the ancient Greeks believed they are a long way from the earth and therefore a roof over planet earth is nonsense.God Bless,

Hi ringo, On what authority do you make that assertion?This is exactly what Genesis 1:1 says.

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בראשית ברא אלהים את השמים ואת הארץ

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I will break down the sentence for you.Word 1. בראשית
A feminine noun meaning first, beginning, best, chief.
ב the first letter meaning in or on that absorb the definite article.Word 2 ברא
Is a 1ps perfect verb that means the action of the subject of the verb producing the direct object of the verb has been completed.Word 3. אלהים
Is a masculine plural noun meaning divine ones, that is the subject of the verb.Word 4. את
Sign of the direct object not translated in English.Word 5. השמים
The first letter ה is the definite article.
This word is a masculine dual noun which means 2 heavens and all that is in them.
It is the direct object of the verb that has been produced by the action of the subject of the verb.Word 6. ואת
The first letter ו is the sign of a conjunction and translated and. The rest is the sign of the direct object which is not translated in EnglishWord 7. הארץ
The first letter וis the definite article.
The rest of the word is a feminine noun meaning the earth and all its contents. Which is the completed action of the subject of the verb.This sentence has a verb that has, a subject, and an object which makes it a complete declarative statement.Therefore this is a declarative statement, stating that the heavens and the earth are completed objects by God.God Bless,

Hi NoNukes, Since the word noun was not invented until the 1400's Moses had no such thing as nouns.Moses did have something we call nouns but he did not know they were nouns. He probably had a name for them but I can't find any information as to what that might have been. I never denied he did not have those things. I just said he had no such things as nouns. Even though we call them nouns. But since the word noun was not invented until the 1400's he did not have any. He had something else. When I discuss ancient Hebrew I try not to think in modern terms. I try to think in ancient terms and sometimes I fail to do that. So if you don't understand it there is no skin off my teeth.God Bless,