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Message 1652 of 4573 (826718)
01-08-2018 12:09 PM
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01-08-2018 10:04 AM


Re: Stephen Miller Speaks His Mind
Stephen Miller is also very argumentative, assertive, and verbally aggressive ...
Apparently, after the interview the exchanges continued, Miller was asked to leave the set, refused, and was eventually escorted off by security. ...
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
― Winston S. Churchill
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Message 1699 of 4573 (826982)
01-15-2018 1:09 PM
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01-15-2018 12:32 PM


Re: Lying for Trump
Your summary is inaccurate. Perhaps your sources are incomplete. Two people originally said they did not recall the statement, one of whom now says that the statement was not made at all. Beyond that, we have one person refusing to comment, and two Senators (one Republican and one Democrat) who have confirmed that the reports of Trump making the statement are accurate.
Plus we now have him bragging about it:
quote:
Conservative Journalist Says Trump Bragged About 'S**thole' Comments
Conservative reporter Erick Erickson said Sunday that President Donald Trump called friends to brag about his reported remarks describing Haiti, El Salvador and African nations as s**thole countries.
It’s weird that people in the room don’t remember Trump using that word when Trump himself was calling friends to brag about it afterwards, tweeted the columnist. I spoke to one of those friends. The President thought it would play well with the base."
Which indeed it has, plus it achieved the goal of distraction from the Russian probes.
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Message 1733 of 4573 (827107)
01-17-2018 12:56 PM
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01-17-2018 12:51 PM


Re: Lying for Trump
If you ask me it is all potato patato nitpicking over specific word use while ignoring the elephant in the room.
Whatever he said, the damage is done and America has fewer friends in the world.
He has done more to ruin foreign relations than 8 years of schrubbia. Another win?

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Message 1734 of 4573 (827108)
01-17-2018 1:00 PM
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01-17-2018 12:11 PM


Re: About that medical report...
How does he stack up to other golf players?

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Message 1761 of 4573 (827294)
01-22-2018 9:33 AM
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01-22-2018 9:27 AM


Re: Coincidence? I don't think so.
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Message 1787 of 4573 (827852)
02-02-2018 2:41 PM
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02-02-2018 9:41 AM


The Nunes Memo Released
available here
quote:

Expect the Democrat memo to be leaked now that this information is declassified.
That must be a different Steele dossier than the one commissioned by Republicans on primary candidate Trump ...
Sigh.
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Message 1789 of 4573 (827854)
02-02-2018 3:21 PM
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02-02-2018 2:41 PM


Re: The Nunes Memo Released -- nothingburger.
So aside from the fact the dossier originated with republican backing/funding, aside from the fact that there is a second memo that Mueller is reviewing that covers the same material, AND given that Page is in the process of plea bargaining with Mueller ...
There is nothing there.
Regarding the second memo
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Message 1797 of 4573 (827874)
02-03-2018 9:57 AM
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02-02-2018 4:54 PM


Re: The Nunes Memo Released -- nothingburger.
Here's more on the memo and what it means:
quote:
Ex-CIA officer just threw the memo back in Trump and Nunes’s face in epic takedown [WATCH]
A prominent former CIA intelligence officer, however, has a very different take on the memo. Ned Price, who once served as the spokesperson for the National Security Council, thinks that the contents of the memo do much more to bolster the case against Trump than Nunes intended.
Appearing on MSNBC Live, Price told host Katy Tur, From my experience at the CIA, from working closely with the FBI over the years, I can say categorically that there is not a single source within our intelligence or law enforcement community that is not, in some ways, biased, Price said on MSNBC Friday.
It’s not that you try to wave a magic wand and to remove an individual’s biases. You account for them, you vet a source, compare his or her information to what you already know.
And this Nunes memo does something very important, it calls Christopher Steele a longtime, longstanding source of the FBI, Price added. The FBI does not have longstanding sources who routinely lie to them, who routinely peddle false information. So I think that answers the questions about the biases."
That wasn’t all. Price thinks Democrats should be thanking Rep. Nunes for making the memo public because it dismantles a key talking point the president and his allies have been trying to advance, namely that the FISA warrant on former Trump campaign operative Carter Page was issued because of the Steele Dossier.
But Katy, there’s a bigger issue here, and I don’t know if Groundhog Day is appropriate to exchange gifts, but Democrats should be showering gifts on Devin Nunes for this memo because it disproves one of the key talking points, namely that the Steele Dossier was the predicate to launch the investigation into Donald Trump in the first place, Price explained.

And now we have Nunes and other republicans colluding and lying to obstruct justice.
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Message 1799 of 4573 (827878)
02-03-2018 11:59 AM
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02-03-2018 11:32 AM


Re: Nuclear Policy Reversed.. Insanity is the order of the day
I think my avatar needs updating... It's running a little slow.
The doomsday clock is not set at 2 minutes to midnight.
You guys who couldn't stomach voting for Hilary. Feel better now?
No. The fact remains that Hillary lost the campaign by failing in several key states, and I could have voted for Pat Paulson and it would not have changed that.
Any person who voted not-Hillary in a state that Hillary won did not contribute to her loss. Because the electoral college is not popular vote reflecting mechanism as long as the states have winner take all rules.
Stop blaming innocent people for her loss.
Is this really what Republicans believe is a good strategy? I understand that Trump's base has different priorities and ways of looking at the world than I do. But does anyone really believe this is a great idea? If so then I suspect I will never understand how folks think.
Considering that many are woefully under educated and gullible to shysters (political and religious), and likely have no clue about the destructive effect of nuclear bombs, both immediate and long term, and being xenophobic the likely just don't care.
Beware the power of united stupidity ...
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Message 1801 of 4573 (827882)
02-03-2018 12:57 PM
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02-03-2018 12:12 PM


voting
Yeah, I know. I acknowledged that point sometime in the past. Heck, you could have voted for Trump in your state without making a difference. I could have done that too.
The problem is not just that the electoral college is predominantly winner take all (two states have proportional representation), but that our current voting system entrenches a two party system.
Instant runoff voting would better reflect peoples real preferences ...
ie -- between Clinton, Stein, Johnson and Trump for example
Clinton vs Stein → Stein
Clinton vs Johnson → Clinton
Clinton vs Trump → Clinton
Stein vs Johnson → Stein
Stein vs Trump → Stein
Johnson vs Trump → Johnson
So Stein +3, Clinton +2, Johnson +1, and Trump 0
Take these votes to the electoral college and present each state total there, then total all the votes to determine the winner.
This process should be mandatory for primaries imho.
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Message 1805 of 4573 (827892)
02-04-2018 8:47 AM
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02-03-2018 3:07 PM


Looking forward not backward
It's important to say this now because 2018 is an off-year election, so only House and Senate (23 Democrats, 2 independents who caucus with Democrats, and 8 Republicans) members are up for election. Even if your non-Republican representative or senator won in 2016 with 98% of the vote, or even if the non-Republican candidate lost with only 2% of the vote, get out there and vote. It is that important, and we can't take any chances.
What is important to me is to promote progressives in primaries and democrats in the general election, because the country is not run by just the president.
We have to live with what is and stop blaming people that you want to vote in November. Hillary lost. Get over it.
There are a couple of candidates I would love to see win:
Beto O’Rourke in Texas v Ted Cruz
Andrew Janz in California v Devin Nunes
Either Randy Bryce or Cathy Meyers (preferred, but whoever wins primary) v Paul Ryan
and many others.
So I am voting with my campaign donations: I give directly to candidates, because I don't trust the DNC to spend campaign funds where I want them spent, especially in primaries.
If we get the DINOs out in the primaries then we can win with progressive issues like $15/hr min wage, equal rights amendment, medicare for all, family leave, etc etc etc
In addition I support Working Families Party and Democratic Socialists of America
[abe]
Here's another one:
DINO Dan vs Progressive Marie Newman
And another group to watch:
Brand New Congress - candidates
There's a lot of overlap ...
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Message 1806 of 4573 (827894)
02-04-2018 11:13 AM
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02-03-2018 9:57 AM


The Nunes #Mehmo Released -- and now this ...
The saga of the obstructionist #Mehmo continues
quote:
Central Contention Of Nunes Memo Now In Doubt
We don’t want to get too deep into the weeds here but this is a really important development in the memo story that’s being reported by the New York Times, The Washington Post, even Rupert Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal. The central contention of the Nunes memo was that the Justice Department didn’t tell the FISA court the whole story, that the Steele dossier (dirt on Trump) was paid for by the Clinton campaign and therefore politically motivated. It was, for all intents, The Department of Justice out to get Donald Trump. Or, maybe not.
Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee allege the court was never told of this political bias when DOJ asked for warrants to wiretap a Trump campaign aide. But in fact, according to sources for three major newspapers, the court WAS told a political campaign paid for the information that led to the surveillance.
As noted above, the intelligence agencies often used biased material, but they vet it, such as by using testimony from Papadopoulus, to justify the wire tap.
Then each renewal for another 90 days needs to show positive results, not just the old evidence.
One blatant attempt to obstruct justice.
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Message 1809 of 4573 (827909)
02-04-2018 6:24 PM
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Re: Looking forward not backward
Beto O’Rourke is pretty impressive in person. Now, I would vote for Jabba the Hutt over Ted Cruz, but at least I feel pretty positive about Beto. Good guy, I think.
Indeed, I have followed him for some time on facebook, and it seems that every day he is out traveling the district and talking to the people.
That alone qualifies him imho compared to Cruisin Cruz
His numbers are rising as he introduces himself to more people, and his fundraising is outstripping corporatist Cruz
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Message 1810 of 4573 (827910)
02-04-2018 6:33 PM
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02-04-2018 4:19 PM


Re: The Nunes #Mehmo Released -- and now this ...
The memo has turned out to be next to nothing. I find the entire episode amusing. ...
Indeed, that was my opinion from the start.
... Perhaps the Democrats should have taken a different approach prior to the release of the memo because at this point, the biggest partisan questions surround their objections to the release.
Well the DNC had to get their take on it into the record.
I think they should simply have said that the memo was doctored to present a false impression that would only serve a partisan sycophantic purpose, and that if release that it would make the rebuttal memo declasified as well.
Meanwhile, the GOP issue with declassifying material for such minimal political gain seems a substantial issue.
Indeed, and many republicans are crying foul as well.
Meanwhile Mueller is sitting in the center of the spider web taking every tingle and twinge. It keeps adding up to obstruction of justice (remember Dean and Nixon) and cover up, and the list of individuals taking plea bargain deals grows ... now including Carter Paige ... adding to the evidence of corruption and treason.
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Message 1813 of 4573 (827932)
02-05-2018 5:15 PM
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02-05-2018 3:24 PM


Re: The Nunes #Mehmo Released -- and now this ...
Yeah, worse than Watergate, obviously.
But not for the reasons the right wing echo chamber likes to pretend.
obstruction of justice got Dean and Nixon
Article II: Section 4. The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors
And treason is defined in Article III: Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Does failure to impose sanctions on Russia, after they were overwhelmingly approved by bipartisan supermajority, NOT constitute giving aid and comfort to Russia, a known enemy?
Mueller spins his web, Trump tweets obliviously ...
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