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NoNukes
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Message 452 of 1482 (827801)
02-01-2018 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 450 by ICANT
02-01-2018 12:15 PM


Re: days and dates
My Bible Language degrees and further studies would disagree with you.
The problem with this kind of evidence is that we've seen your arguments regarding Bible translations and know that they are not significantly better than your arguments regarding science.
Remember when you made this BS argument that Moses had no nouns?
Message 105
ICANT writes:
How did Moses have nouns when the word was not created until the 1400's BC?
You later acknowledged that Moses did have names for people, places, and things.
ICANT writes:
Well if Moses had something called a noun he might have had something called a proper noun.
Well if Moses had something called a noun he might have had something called a proper noun.
But since he did not have a noun that means he did not have a proper noun.
He did have the name of a person, place or thing.
I don't care what degrees you have. Your arguments are often not worth the paper they are not printed on.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 455 of 1482 (827819)
02-02-2018 12:21 AM
Reply to: Message 454 by ICANT
02-01-2018 5:53 PM


Re: days and dates
Since the word noun was not invented until the 1400's Moses had no such thing as nouns.
Moses did have something we call nouns but he did not know they were nouns. He probably had a name for them but I can't find any information as to what that might have been.
Right, but that was not what you tried to argue back then, was it?
never denied he did not have those things. I just said he had no such things as nouns. Even though we call them nouns. But since the word noun was not invented until the 1400's he did not have any. He had something else.
That statement is just stupid ICANT. And since I believe that your own intelligence does not sink so low, I am forced to the conclusion that you are just dishonest. Moses had nouns regardless of what he would have called them. He also had hands although I am sure he would not have used the English word for those appendages at the end of his arms. Apparently, you will say just about anything without the slightest remorse. That's why folks should not even bother having a discussion with you.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 462 of 1482 (827887)
02-03-2018 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 461 by ICANT
02-03-2018 8:57 PM


Re: A Noun By Any Other Name
Einstein believed the heavens and the earth were old as he believed it was eternal.
Einstein did believe in a static universe... until the evidence convinced him otherwise. But let's tell half of a story because that's the next best thing to just flat out lying.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 467 of 1482 (827897)
02-04-2018 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 464 by ICANT
02-03-2018 9:58 PM


Re: A Noun By Any Other Name
Are you now saying he believed in a young earth as in YECism. Who is presenting falsehoods now
The falsehood presenter? That would be the lying sack of crap who made up statements, attributed them to me, and then tried to accuse me of lying. I said that Einstein understood that his modeling of the universe as static was an error. That particular truth is well known and documented. I doubt that even you dispute that point despite your previous couple of posts.
But didn't he spend the rest of his life trying to figure out how God did it...
No ICANT. That would be more pure fiction posted by you. Keep posting as you do. It reveals your character and your zeal for the truth, or at least the lack thereof.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 470 of 1482 (827904)
02-04-2018 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 469 by ICANT
02-04-2018 3:56 PM


Re: A Noun By Any Other Name
Well he did not accept the expanding universe because he created his fudge factor which much later he said was his biggest mistake. I see you forgot that part.
I did not forget. I'll note that you are providing evidence for my own point rather than yours. Einstein eventually did accept the expanding universe. That's what formed the motivation for his regret, dumb ass.
Did I make a statement representing a fact or did I ask a question?
You did present your idea in the form of a question. And then you ended by questioning me about me about who was telling falsehoods as if your question was a statement of fact. Now go ahead and lie and say that you did no such thing.
In fact, we both know that I made no claim whatsoever that Einstein espoused YEC beliefs. What I did say was that Einstein had discarded the idea that the universe was eternal, something that your own statement seemed to leave out deliberately, because you seem to know enough of the details about what Einstein actually did.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 472 of 1482 (827908)
02-04-2018 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 471 by ICANT
02-04-2018 4:33 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
There is a stop sign at the end of Genesis 1:1.
There is a stop sign at the end of Jeremiah 4:26.
The Hebrew Bible was not divided into chapters and verses until 1571. Prior to that and from the Sinai there were parshiyos. which was a space in the text which was stop signs.
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.
space...
27 For thus hath the Lord said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it
Perhaps something more than a space is needed to make whatever your point might be.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 475 of 1482 (827957)
02-06-2018 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 474 by ICANT
02-06-2018 11:12 AM


Re: Creation
Take a good look at my avatar and you will see what I mean about a space at the end of a paragraph.
I submit that it does not matter whether that space ends a paragraph or a chapter as far as your point is concerned. Neither of those is a reason that the two portions must be inconsistent. One reason for my conclusion is that there are indications both before and after first 4:26 that the subject matter in question is about the future and not the past.
For example:
5 Declare ye in Judah, and publish in Jerusalem; and say, Blow ye the trumpet in the land: cry, gather together, and say, Assemble yourselves, and let us go into the defenced cities.
6 Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction.
No break between there and verse 26 right? Notice how I am pointing to text and making my argument based on what is there rather than trying to interpret a space?
Beyond that, I would suggest this.
Even if there is a break between verse 26 and 27, your suggestion that that alters the meaning in some way is just your interpretation. Your interpretation is neither required by the text nor is it a natural reading of the text. At best your argument is an excuse or an "it may be" for your interpretation. And your interpretation seems to be for the sole purpose of misreading the text of Genesis. Absent some separate reason to believe you over what is clearly on the page, I don't believe you.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 478 of 1482 (827984)
02-06-2018 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 477 by ICANT
02-06-2018 5:23 PM


Re: Creation
But if you think I am wrong please show me where Jeremiah could have saw what he described anywhere else in the Bible.
It is your theory and not mine that Jeremiah is describing past events. I don't need to show any such thing.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 480 of 1482 (827987)
02-07-2018 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 479 by ICANT
02-07-2018 12:19 AM


Re: Creation
It is not a theory.
It is a fact according to the text.
I can't help it if you forgot how to read.
Hilarious. ICANT, you have zero credibility here. This entire thread is full of instances of you being wrong about assorted topics.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 483 of 1482 (828011)
02-07-2018 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 482 by ICANT
02-07-2018 11:40 AM


Re: Creation
When I post something that a person does not even try to refute but instead attacks me personally I get the idea that I have touched a nerve somewhere. Otherwise they would try to discredit the message rather than the messenger.
Except that you did not actually make an argument. You just claimed that your statements were fact as though we should rely on your expertise and reputation. Well, you don't have a reputation for truth-telling or getting facts correct. I think pointing to the record is exactly the right way to show that.
But hey, validate yourself bro.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 491 of 1482 (828035)
02-08-2018 1:38 AM
Reply to: Message 487 by Stile
02-07-2018 3:09 PM


Re: days and dates
I think ICANT is saying Moses didn't have nouns because the concept of noun didn't exist in any language.
ICANT said that he had tried to find out what Moses called those things he used to refer to a person, place or thing, but the terminology had not surfaced in his research. ICANT acknowledges that Moses did use words for that purpose.
Maybe that makes some kind of sense to someone, but I think Aussie's comments describe ICANT's position quite well.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 493 of 1482 (828059)
02-08-2018 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 492 by AlexCaledin
02-08-2018 8:36 PM


The simple biblical words denote God's days, acts and things in God's creative laboratory, way beyond the human science. Compared to those things, our "material", "carnal" reality (after the Curse in Ch.3) is a mere temporary simulation (with the purpose of our debugging)
That's awfully helpful Alex.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 498 of 1482 (828072)
02-09-2018 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 496 by ICANT
02-09-2018 11:35 AM


Re: days and dates
If you could go back in time and ask Moses why he put nouns in his sentences what do you think his expression would be?
If that were to occur, Moses would not understand a single word I said, what with every single word I speak being in English. And yet Moses would still have hands, legs, a mouth, and nouns.
You won't follow this advice, but here it is anyway. You can improve your reputation by dropping this line of argument. It's making you look like an idiot, particularly with it being only a few posts separated from the one where I said that you had a bad reputation for facts and the truth.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 511 of 1482 (828091)
02-09-2018 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 503 by ICANT
02-09-2018 12:55 PM


Re: days and dates
All I am trying to say is that you cannot apply rules of modern English and modern Hebrew to a language that has been dead since 600 BC.
If you had simply said that, we would have an argument instead of folks laughing when you post. On the other hand, you admit that Moses had words for persons, places, and things, so I suggest that you would still have lost the argument.
With that statement I will end my discussion of nouns.
Great idea. Best one you've had this thread.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 517 of 1482 (828112)
02-10-2018 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 512 by ICANT
02-10-2018 1:57 AM


Re: Why NOT A Literal Bible?
How many people do you know who have been married to the same woman they first married for 60 years?
That is quite impressive (to me at least) but a miracle? Perhaps not.
Yes, I do know personally a few folks that have been married that long.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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