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Tanypteryx
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Message 1 of 25 (826137)
12-22-2017 11:35 PM


I recently read Trilobite, Eyewitness to Evolution by Richard Fortey, 2001. I found it to be a delightful read and I learned all sorts of new things about these fascinating fossil creatures and the worlds they inhabited for 300 million years. Many thousands of species have been described and more are being discovered every year.

Trilobites have played a major role in paleontology and have been used as index fossils correlating the ages of geological layers around the globe.

They range in size from larger than lobsters to only a couple millimeters in length. As would be expected in a group that lasted that long the amount of variation is staggering; all the way from blind to calcium carbonate crystal for lenses in the faceted eyes, from plain and unadorned to covered with all sorts and shapes of spines.

Fortey writes as much about the world they live in as about the trilobites themselves, the other sorts of life they shared the seas with. He uses his own experiences on expeditions of discovery around the world to tell the stories of the fossils and the types and locations of geological formations they are found in today and what those habitats were like when these creatures lived.

He was a contemporary with Gould and Eldredge and describes how Eldredge's study of trilobites led him to the concept of Punctuated Equilibrium. He also explains Gould's errors in Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History in a way I had never understood before.

Fortey tells an engrossing tale and describes the same excitement of discovery that I have experienced and observed in my colleagues in the study of dragonflies.

I can recommend this book to anyone looking for an interesting read this winter.


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If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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12-23-2017 9:38 AM
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12-22-2017 11:35 PM


Thanks for the review. I just looked and my public library has a copy of this book and so I'll mosey on down there today and check it out.
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12-23-2017 11:15 AM
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12-23-2017 9:38 AM


Intentional?
... so I'll mosey on down there today and check it out.

good one.

Libraries ... another socialist ploy designed to undermine capitalism and educate poor people ...

Enjoy


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12-24-2017 8:09 AM
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Re: Intentional?
RAZD writes:

Libraries ... another socialist ploy designed to undermine capitalism and educate poor people ...

Often funded by notable socialists like George Peabody, Enoch Pratt and Andrew Carnegie.


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02-09-2018 3:33 PM
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12-22-2017 11:35 PM


Very enlightening!
Thank you for recommending this book! I actually have a trilobite fossil that I bought years ago as well and I kept pulling it out as I read this book.

What cool creatures they are with crystal eyes (calcite). I was absolutely amazed that they had found trilobite larvae fossils and enough of them to actually map their development to adulthood and also use the larval stage to show how some trilobites were closely related even though their adult bodies were markedly different.

It was a very interesting walk back in time.


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02-17-2018 1:16 PM


Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world
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02-17-2018 1:19 PM
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Bonfire Of The Vanities
Well well well...hello Alex. I agree with you that humans can be vain at times...they want to try and do everything themselves and think they will succeed without God...which I agree is vain. In science, however, they must have a go of it alone. It is not as if they can simply pray before conducting each experiment now is it?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
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~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Message 8 of 25 (828420)
02-17-2018 2:31 PM
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Re: Bonfire Of The Vanities
Phat writes:

I agree with you that humans can be vain at times...they want to try and do everything themselves and think they will succeed without God...which I agree is vain.

I've tried many times to get you to understand things from an atheist's veiwpoint, but it seems that you simply can't. I'm not trying to change your mind about what you believe, just understand things from a non-believer's point of view.

For atheists this god thing of yours is a pure invention; like fairies. Exactly like fairies. It's not vain to think you can manage without fairies now is it?


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Message 9 of 25 (828429)
02-17-2018 4:46 PM
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02-17-2018 1:16 PM


Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit

Thanks for the warning. I will never let you spoil me through your philosophy or your vain deceit. Now piss off.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 10 of 25 (828431)
02-17-2018 5:35 PM
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02-17-2018 1:16 PM


The pathetic cry of the Christian Cult of Ignorance.

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Message 11 of 25 (828432)
02-17-2018 5:46 PM
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Re: Bonfire Of The Vanities
Well well well...hello Alex. I agree with you that humans can be vain at times...they want to try and do everything themselves and think they will succeed without God...which I agree is vain. In science, however, they must have a go of it alone. It is not as if they can simply pray before conducting each experiment now is it?

Why not? There is no success without God, what a strange idea. God rules science just as He rules the whole universe and every thing science studies. He knows the answers to all the questions, and if fallen humanity comes up with answers that disagree with Him, He's not the one who is wrong. Prayer for understanding of whatever science project you are engaged in would save you a lot of mistakes.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 12 of 25 (828436)
02-17-2018 7:19 PM
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Re: Bonfire Of The Vanities
I’ll bet that studying the actual science connected to yout science project will lead to a much better understanding than prayer will. I’ll go so far as to propose that you could pray until October for understanding of anti-Markanikov additions to cyclic alkenes, and that if you never cracked a book on it, you would still be looking through the weeds for understanding in November.
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Message 13 of 25 (828438)
02-17-2018 7:41 PM
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Re: Bonfire Of The Vanities
Oh come on. Of course you study, the prayer simply guides and refines your study. I'm not talking about prayer for some kind of arcane knowledge out of the blue, I'm talking about studying with God's guidance.
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Message 14 of 25 (828441)
02-17-2018 7:54 PM
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Re: Bonfire Of The Vanities
Science does study with God's guidance unlike the Biblical worshipers. Science uses what God created not the Bible that fallen man made up and wrote.

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Message 15 of 25 (828442)
02-17-2018 7:59 PM
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Re: Bonfire Of The Vanities
Since God created everything, by your reasoning nobody should ever get any of it wrong, but we get things wrong all the time and the history of science certainly shows that. No, I'm talking about literally asking God to guide our understanding. In my experience it makes a big difference.
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