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Author Topic:   Does Atheism = No beliefs?
ringo
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Message 339 of 414 (786568)
06-23-2016 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 331 by Tangle
06-22-2016 5:35 PM


Tangle writes:
If you don't believe in god(s), then you're an atheist. It's very simple.
And if you don't know, you're agnostic. Equally simple.
If you don't know whether you believe or not, it becomes less simple. Am I an atheist or a deist? I don't know.
Is there such a thing as an adeist in your pantheon of stances?
Tangle writes:
... you just regularly say dumb things purely for arguments sake.
Well, if you can't address the dumb arguments - which you regularly can't - how are you going to address the smart ones?

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ringo
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Message 344 of 414 (786665)
06-24-2016 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 343 by Tangle
06-23-2016 4:57 PM


Tangle writes:
ringo writes:
And if you don't know, you're agnostic. Equally simple.
Wrong, but I'm not starting that again here.
Feel free to run away when you can't refute the obvious.

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ringo
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Message 346 of 414 (786794)
06-27-2016 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 345 by Stile
06-27-2016 11:14 AM


Stile writes:
If we have reports on where something should be, how it should act... and we check those places and the consequences we should find, and nothing is ever found... over and over and over...
But we do find Santa Claus. We find him so ubiquitously that the only rational position is to by a polysantaclausist.

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ringo
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Message 374 of 414 (827664)
01-29-2018 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 372 by Phat
01-29-2018 7:39 AM


Re: Two Atheists With Similar Views
Phat writes:
My only critique of such a philosophy is that it raises humans to a responsible level of being fully responsible for our own survival...
Noah had to build his own ark.

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ringo
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Message 376 of 414 (827666)
01-29-2018 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 375 by Phat
01-29-2018 11:54 AM


Re: Two Atheists With Similar Views
Phat writes:
Consider that Noah... was ridiculed for his efforts.
No he wasn't.
Phat writes:
He didn't have to do anything!
Yes he did. He had to build his own ark to survive. Otherwise, he would have drowned along with everybody else.
Why should you be any different?

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ringo
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Message 378 of 414 (827670)
01-29-2018 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 377 by Phat
01-29-2018 12:18 PM


Re: Two Atheists With Similar Views
Phat writes:
Although I suppose you could argue that all of us should have equal rights.
The question was, "Why should you be treated differently from Noah?" Why should you be wafted miraculously above the flood while Noah had to build his own ark?
You complained about atheism making us responsible for our own survival. That's just reality. Even your own Bible disagrees with you.

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ringo
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Message 388 of 414 (827846)
02-02-2018 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 385 by Phat
02-02-2018 3:42 AM


Re: It's funny
Phat writes:
This whole militant thing seems a waste of energy.
The name of this site is "Creation versus Evolution". It exists because some people are trying to replace science with religion in our schools. So yes, religion is dangerous. Like some other diseases, we may not be able to eradicate it but it seems reasonable that we should do our best to minimize its ill effects.

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ringo
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Message 393 of 414 (828195)
02-13-2018 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 392 by 1.61803
02-13-2018 10:40 AM


Re: It's funny
~1.6 writes:
You paint with a broad brush sir.
The soviet union thought the same thing about religion in that they wanted to eradicate it and minimize it's ill effects.
My brush is much narrower than theirs.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 399 of 414 (828405)
02-17-2018 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 397 by AlexCaledin
02-16-2018 4:25 PM


AlexCaledin writes:
... on a tiny planet hopelessly lost in the multiverse....
Why would we need to know where we are in the multiverse? It isn't like we can't get everything we need right here. In fact, we know a lot more than we need to know about the neighbourhood.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 401 of 414 (828407)
02-17-2018 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 400 by Phat
02-17-2018 12:21 PM


Phat writes:
Alex is just pointing out how arrogant people are being so small and claiming to have no need for a Creator. God is like oxygen...you wont even miss Him until you need Him.
What's arrogant is thinking you know anything about God.
Phat writes:
There are no atheists in locked school classrooms during crazy shootings.
How does God help the victims?

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 404 of 414 (828498)
02-20-2018 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 403 by Phat
02-17-2018 12:48 PM


Re: Never Hurts To Believe In Eternity
Phat writes:
We won't know that answer until we ourselves die.
But you said, "There are no atheists in locked school classrooms during crazy shootings." Why would they not be atheists? Are they hoping God will save them? It seems to me that in a bad situation people are more likely to realize that there is no external help - i.e. no God.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
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Message 406 of 414 (828505)
02-20-2018 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 405 by Phat
02-20-2018 11:16 AM


Re: Never Hurts To Believe In Eternity
Phat writes:
Because they chose at some point in their lives to be believers.
You keep saying that. Demonstrate that you're right by choosing to believe in Santa Claus.
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Are they hoping God will save them?
Yes.
So you're saying that people locked in a room with a homicidal maniac will suddenly choose to believe in God? You said there would be no atheists in such a situation.
Phat writes:
Believers dont simply switch boats in the middle of the stream when the rapids approach.
We're not talking about believers switching boats. We're talking about unbelievers switching boats.
Phat writes:
My claim is that in a situation where one might lose their life, many at that moment will buy the product.
That's what's known as grasping at straws.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 408 of 414 (828509)
02-20-2018 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 407 by Phat
02-20-2018 11:39 AM


Re: Never Hurts To Believe In Eternity
Phat writes:
In the locked room, the evidence changes. Death becomes more of a reality.
The absence of God becomes a reality too.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 414 of 414 (828605)
02-21-2018 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 412 by AlexCaledin
02-21-2018 2:42 PM


AlexCaledin writes:
Ahteists....
By the way, if you want to reply to a specific message, there's a little "reply" button in the lower right-hand corner of each message, right beside the "peek" button. If you use that one instead of the big "Gen Reply" button at the bottom of the page, people can tell who you're talking to and what you're referring to.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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