Creation

I'm not sure what or who might be an enemy and I don't think I have ever had an enemy so yes of course I left that out. It is pretty much irrelevant in living our lives.We simply don't come in contact with enemies but we constantly come in contact with other people. If we treat them as we would like to be treated then we are actually doing what Jesus commanded us to do. YOU are that resource and it is not the Bible that is being perverted but rather much of what Christianity teaches. You even list quite a few items and seem to be trying to address just that issue. Trying to make the Bible stories fit reality and history or claiming stuff was actually written by Moses or that there was a Garden of Eden or a Conquest of Canaan or an Exodus or that there are prophecies of Jesus in the Old Testament or that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah are all examples of perverting the actual stories.We need to acknowledge that there is no such thing a THE BIBLE or THE Christian Church or even The God of the Bible and that instead what we have are collections of stories written by different people to different audiences for different purposes that have then been crammed into several anthologies of anthologies and marketed as though it were a single book with a single subject.Jesus was never a Christian.

Two unrelated issues.The basis of what I consider incorrect and perverted are first, actual facts such as existing fossils and the universe compared to what is far too often taught as being Christianity. That includes what I consider perhaps the most evil dogma of all time, Calvinism.Of course, I am also honest enough to admit that no one, absolutely no one knows any source of truth about God. Too funny.I believe that whatever any of us believes about God, whatever anyone has ever believed about God, what anyone living will ever believe about God is almost certainly wrong.Fortunately the Bible itself supports that position since there are so many different characterizations of God in the Bible ranging from the petulant tyrant to the bumbling tinkerer to the cheating wrestler to the wandering seeker to the overarching competent critter totally detached from mankind to the friendly mentor to the ...Edited by jar, : fix quotebox

Not so fast little one. You asked about knowing, not believing. The two are not synonymous. Again, not so fast little one. I actually accept the Bible but as Paul said, I no longer look through a glass dimly and have put aside my childish things. I accept that the Bible says what it says, and that there is no need to make stuff up to try to explain away the fact that it is filled with factual errors, contradictions and often a really evil God. And I find that simply a cop out, a get outta hell free card that diminishes Jesus to near worthlessness and denigrates all that he taught.Your position is one of the great perversions that is so common in Christianity.I agree that no one earns forgiveness but not because Jesus paid for my sins but rather through the grace of God. And no one knows whether or not they will be forgiven by God until they are dead a tried.But we can earn damnation and in the parable of the Sheep and the Goats, it is the followers of Jesus, his disciples, that end up as Goats and the Sheep are folk that were not ever his followers.

Acknowledging that the Biblical Creation stories are not factual and that they are also contradictory is not rejecting the Bible. Trying to pretend they are factual and that they are not contradictory IS rejecting the Bible.Edited by jar, : neither ----> not

Of course I reject many of your givens based on the actual evidence beginning with the fact that there is no such thing as an universal Christian Canon and in fact Christian Canons vary from the smallest that contains only the first five books of the Old Testament to the largest Canon that contains over 80 books.Your givens are simply dogma and have nothing to do with reality or honesty.And your G2 is just plain silly.Edited by jar, : appalin spallin hand ----> and

Well all honest people know that the Bible stories themselves are evidence that they are not true.There are two mutually exclusive creation myths; the God character in each is different, the order is different, the method of creation is different and both are overwhelmingly refuted by reality.

A mere unsupported assertion, which is all you have ever provided, is just juvenile "nah-nah" tactics common to creationist nonsense. Unfortunately, the reality is that the Bible stories are filled with absurdities, contradictions and simply false statements. Again, you are simply showing your rather typical utter ignorance of the Bible, all too common within the Christian Cult of Ignorance.Genesis 2&3 are the far older stories while Genesis 1 was written much later and by an entirely different Hebrew tradition. That the far younger story is placed before the much older tale found in Genesis 2&3 is simply more evidence that the Bible is a creation of man, not God. It also helps explain the two entirely different Gods; the somewhat bumbling not all that smart, hands on learning on the job and not all that honest God of Genesis 2&3 that is friendly, approachable and personable but also fearful versus the extremely competent, decisive God of the newer Genesis 1 tale that is aloof, separate and that has no contact whatsoever with the created.

Not to mention the fact that a Prophet that prophesies what already happened is pretty much worthless. So is a Prophet that prophesies stuff that will not happen for thousands of years in the future.

That is yet another utterly dishonest statement from you that seems to have no purpose other than making Christians look stupid. Whoops, I was wrong. You have more statements that seem to have no purpose other than making Christian look stupid. You even have statement making Christians look like really stupid liars.The fact is that there is not even some unique thing that is "The Bible" but rather a broad range of different things containing different content that are all called "Bibles".And top top it off you go on to puts lots more utter bullshit and absurdities and have the cajones to claim you are talking about reality.Sheesh!

Really? And exactly how did you determine your relationship was with God and not just a bad burrito?

No, conmen say that.The reality is that there is evidence that dirt does exist. And the evidence to support that statement is...?

The singularity is not a thing, it is the point where all our understanding breaks down. It's equally likely that it had no mass.

Because Dictionaries do not record what is correct, only how words are used. Ignorance is often rampant.

Once again ICANT you are simply showing your ignorance and dishonesty. Yet the reality is that I am and have always been a Christian raised in a Christian household, educated in Christian schools and a registered member of a recognized Christian sect.And the fact remains that Because dictionaries do not record what is correct, only how words are used. Ignorance is often rampant.Something that is infinite in extent does not have to be eternal and it is just as dishonesty to try to misrepresent what others say just as you seem to do with what the the Bible says constantly.

Yawn. Yet more utter dishonesty from you.I did not say I was religious, I said I was a Christian, a cradle creedal Christian and a registered member of a recognized Christian denomination, which of course is far more of a Christian than Jesus was.And is still simply another example of you trying to palm the pea, misdirect attention and con the rubes.Sorry Charlie but I imagine Jesus places a higher premium on honesty than in your misrepresentations and equivocations.When you continue to misrepresent what others say, continue to take things out of context, continue to play kindergarten word games you simply make Christianity look stupid.