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ringo
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Message 406 of 414 (828505)
02-20-2018 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 405 by Phat
02-20-2018 11:16 AM


Re: Never Hurts To Believe In Eternity
Phat writes:

Because they chose at some point in their lives to be believers.


You keep saying that. Demonstrate that you're right by choosing to believe in Santa Claus.

Phat writes:

ringo writes:

Are they hoping God will save them?


Yes.

So you're saying that people locked in a room with a homicidal maniac will suddenly choose to believe in God? You said there would be no atheists in such a situation.

Phat writes:

Believers dont simply switch boats in the middle of the stream when the rapids approach.


We're not talking about believers switching boats. We're talking about unbelievers switching boats.

Phat writes:

My claim is that in a situation where one might lose their life, many at that moment will buy the product.


That's what's known as grasping at straws.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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Phat
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Message 407 of 414 (828508)
02-20-2018 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 406 by ringo
02-20-2018 11:31 AM


Re: Never Hurts To Believe In Eternity
We're not talking about believers switching boats. We're talking about unbelievers switching boats.
Right. Unbelievers chose based on the evidence. In the locked room, the evidence changes. Death becomes more of a reality. A dying man will grasp at straws.

On the other hand, your argument also has support.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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ringo
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Message 408 of 414 (828509)
02-20-2018 11:41 AM
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02-20-2018 11:39 AM


Re: Never Hurts To Believe In Eternity
Phat writes:

In the locked room, the evidence changes. Death becomes more of a reality.


The absence of God becomes a reality too.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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Tangle
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Message 409 of 414 (828514)
02-20-2018 12:30 PM
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02-20-2018 11:39 AM


Re: Never Hurts To Believe In Eternity
I remember a while back hearing that the last words recorded by the black box in an aircraft just before it crashes are 'oh fuck'. They don't appear to be praying.

Also, it always amuses (wrong word) me when you hear Muslims thanking Allah for sparing them when hundreds around them have been blown to pieces. What is going on here? Apparently god has nothing to do with the horrors just the luck of individuals.

But it gets dafter, apparently god has saved them from the ultimate fabulousness of being by his side. These survivors are grateful to be alive, when in fact they should be really annoyed about missing out on an opportunity all their friends are now enjoying.

It seems to me that the suicide bombers are the true believers.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Diomedes
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Message 410 of 414 (828523)
02-20-2018 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 409 by Tangle
02-20-2018 12:30 PM


Re: Never Hurts To Believe In Eternity
I remember a while back hearing that the last words recorded by the black box in an aircraft just before it crashes are 'oh fuck'. They don't appear to be praying.

At least in that situation, even if they were praying, I could understand the rationale.

What baffles me is sports fans praying to god for their respective team to win the game. An omniscient super entity that created the universe has nothing better to do with his/her time than to ensure the Dallas Cowboys or Pittsburgh Steelers win their games? Now THAT is amusing.


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Tangle
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Message 411 of 414 (828558)
02-21-2018 5:39 AM
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02-20-2018 1:59 PM


Re: Never Hurts To Believe In Eternity
Diomedes writes:

What baffles me is sports fans praying to god for their respective team to win the game.

I think that's pretty much proof that the whole prayer thing is simple superstion.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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AlexCaledin
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Message 412 of 414 (828602)
02-21-2018 2:42 PM


Ahteists must believe that the Dark Matter is the remnants of the God of Atheists (consisting of very special god-particles) - who was the very first Suicide Bomber! He detonated the Big Bang Bomb (presumably attached at his navel, see below) and died starting the universe.
Obviously, this is the best explanation of why the heck they are insisting that he does not exist.

( - and that also explains why, in Hinduism, the universe is emerging from the "Vishnu Navel".)


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Tangle
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Message 413 of 414 (828604)
02-21-2018 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 412 by AlexCaledin
02-21-2018 2:42 PM


Don't be silly.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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ringo
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Message 414 of 414 (828605)
02-21-2018 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 412 by AlexCaledin
02-21-2018 2:42 PM


AlexCaledin writes:

Ahteists....


By the way, if you want to reply to a specific message, there's a little "reply" button in the lower right-hand corner of each message, right beside the "peek" button. If you use that one instead of the big "Gen Reply" button at the bottom of the page, people can tell who you're talking to and what you're referring to.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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