Gun Control III

This plan is insane. How is it better than keeping guns out of the school? How many superbly trained teachers with guns would it take to provide a deterrent so off-putting that a student would think they could not kill a dozen students without getting shot? And how much of this fortification are we planning to do in areas other than schools?Are Republicans buying this?

That arming teachers is a bad idea was already obvious. Here's a news report from CBS News from a few years ago: Idaho State University teacher accidentally shootsl self in class

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POCATELLO, Idaho -- An Idaho State University instructor was wounded in the foot after a concealed handgun in the person's pocket discharged during a chemistry lab session with students in the room, school officials said.

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In related news, the Ohio 7th grader who shot himself in a school bathroom a few days ago has died: Ohio 7th grader dies after shooting himself on middle school campus. It is not known how he got the weapon (a .22 long gun) into the school or whether the shooting was accidental.--Percy

It also seems to me that arming teachers would merely become a challenge for a disturbed mind...sorta like "next level" opponents in an RPG. I predict that the violence in schools would only escalate. Having a "them vs us" mentality would encourage more shootings, in my opinion. Instead of death by cop, we would have death by teacher...unless the disturbed individual was an ROTC marksman and happened to win the confrontation.

So what we're telling teachers is that they need to be prepared to kill their students.Of course, in their attempt to get "the bad one," they'll likely miss and may hit "the good one," so you better be sure you're OK with killing any of them.But, that's the price we have to pay to "stop the bad guy." There's no other possible solution. You have to be ready to kill your students.Oh, and students? You need to be prepared to die at the hands of your teacher. They didn't mean it. They were gunning for "the bad one" and missed. You should be proud to be killed.Because it's the way your teachers show they care about you.

And a lot more confrontations that didn't even involve armed students. Imagine a frustrated teacher drawing his Colt 1911 and yelling, "I said, SIT DOWN!"Kindergarten teaches us how to get along with our fellow citizens. High school is supposed to teach us how to think and discuss things rationally. Trump wants to emphasize the worst aspect of human nature and teach children to solve their problems by shooting it out. We might just as well close the schools entirely.

Yesterday a man entered a Winchester, Massachusetts, library with a 10-inch hunting knife and murdered a patron leaning over a book at a reading table. He was quickly restrained by other patrons, but what if he had had an AR-15? So libraries aren't safe, either, and the NRA and Trump should be preparing to arm librarians.Source: Library Stabbing--Percy

I understand that folks believe that keeping guns at home makes their family safer. I think that understanding is wrong, but the current interpretation of the 2nd amendment means that folks get to conduct that ridiculous experiment in their own homes and with their own families.Okay, that's fine. But now they want to export that same madness to everyone else's school. That means that we are no longer talking about the government interfering unconstitutionally in a personal choice. What is being discussed instead is having the state government subject the rest of us to some BS experiment whose outcome we already know based on statistics.That, in my opinion, is insane. Yeah, you are stupid enough to keep a bunch of guns around your children at home. Fine, raise your children as you see fit. But you don't get to be stupid enough to do that to everyone else's kids.

I dunno.Some several months ago, upwards to over a year ago, in the midst of all kinds of political insanity, some USA state with some kinds of insane open-carry laws played host to some kind of insane right-wing political rally.I remember the standard sick joke of mixing all kinds of toxic factors that must inevitably result in complete and utter disaster, to which you casually remark, "What could possibly go wrong?"And yet, surprisingly, complete and utter insane mayhem did not happen.Personally, I think that they were behaving themselves only because they knew we were watching.

Personally. Our teenage son was interested in weaponry. At a local sports shop, an Enfield rifle was available. My then-wife, my son's own mother, gave me a direct order to buy MY OWN SON that weapon. I directly refused that order, since introducing such a weapon into my family could only serve to endanger my family. What happened? Her indifference to my concerns resulted in my son killing himself with that very weapon she had placed in her own hands.

I'm so sorry to hear this personal anecdote from you. I applaud your courage at bringing it up, however. Because whenever guns kill or hurt people, the debate becomes personal. When tragedy after tragedy unfolds, there are victims. And families of victims. And for each and every family member affected by these events, the debate becomes very personal. Yes, we could theoretically (though I doubt actually) eliminate guns and we would still have knives. And hammers. And box cutters. And articles on how to make fertilizer bombs.Killing oneself or others would still be possible.Perhaps, however, it wouldn't happen so fast nor so often.And this is the heart of the pro-gun control issue.And you brought up one key issue. Indifference to concerns.The pro-gun control side wants the other side to consider being empathetic. Assuming that we all are one human family, it is our collective responsibility to protect ourselves from potential harm.This supersedes our freedom to own weapons that could cause harm. Edited by Phat, : added pointEdited by Phat, : further explanation

You should capitalize the first letter of the word "God." It's disrespectful not to.

Double post... Edited by Aussie, : No reason given.

Because talk is cheap, and picking at the failures of others is easy, Trump, the second most presidential American to ever walk the face of the earth let this one fly today:

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President Donald Trump said Monday he would have stormed into the Florida high school to stop the gunman perpetrating the nation's latest mass shooting "even if I didn't have a weapon" as he lambasted the inaction of a sheriff's deputy assigned to the school.

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"You don't know until you test it, but I think, I really believe I'd run in there, even if I didn't have a weapon, and I think most of the people in this room would have done that too," Trump told a gathering of US governors at the White House.

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Need a link. Pick your favorite source:Trump says he'd have run into Florida school | CNN Politics
Trump Blasts FL Officers' Inaction: 'I Really Believe I'd Run in There' Even With No Weapon | Fox News Insider
Trump: I would have confronted Florida school shooter without a gunMost of those links have the video of Trump saying exactly what I quoted above, so hopefully, the idea that this is fake news, or that I took it out of context isn't a viable response.Meanwhile, 86% of Republicans are happy about this kind of behavior with something like 60% of them saying that they strongly approve. How is that? The question is not whether this kind of crap is better than Hillary. You guys actually like this stuff.

I guess he forgot about the one time when his country actually asked him to do just that and he said he couldn't because of bone spurs.

"Stopping gun violence by putting guns in the classroom makes as much sense as stopping stupidity by putting an idiot in the White House." Andy Borowitz, 2-25-18