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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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On last night's Tonight Show Jimmy Fallon announced that he, his wife and two kids will march with the students on March 24th in Washington D.C. in the March For Out Lives, demanding change and action by Congress to bring school mass shootings to an end.
--Percy
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Good ol’ Precedent Bone Spurs ... standing up after 50 years of running the other way ... in his mind, anyway.
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AnswersInGenitals Member (Idle past 178 days) Posts: 673 Joined:
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At a recent meeting of conservatives (CPAC) President Donald Trump said that had he been at the Parkdale high school when the shooting took place, he would have run into the school and confronted the shooter, even if he (Trump) was unarmed. I wish Trump had been at the school at that time and had run in unarmed and confronted the shooter. No, I’m not wishing our president any harm. I believe that Trump would have confronted the shooter and would have defused the situation and gotten the shooter to give up his gun and surrender. Why? Simply because our president is the world’s (and history’s) greatest negotiator.
I am surprised that the president hasn’t proposed the one obvious and effective solution to the school safety problem: that he reopen Trump University with campuses in every school district to teach all school staff his exquisite negotiating skills and thus end school gun violence forever. Those same negotiating skills that he used to end Obamacare while providing quality affordable health insurance to all Americans, get Mexico to pay for a border wall, end armed conflict in the Middle East, get North Korea to give up their nuclear program, and enact a tax/budget plan that gives equitable tax breaks to all citizens while balancing the budget could then be applied to making our schools safe for all. These same skills could be taught to hotel doormen and bellhops to be used on patrons with excessively heavy duffel bags or violin cases to prevent Las Vegas type attacks, and to all clergy to prevent church shooting. I feel safer knowing that our president has the talents we need to make America secure again.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I believe that Trump would have confronted the shooter and would have defused the situation and gotten the shooter to give up his gun and surrender. Why? Simply because our president is the world’s (and history’s) greatest negotiator Okay, so this is the style I am used to from you. Nice one! Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1311 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
"US President Donald Trump has sensationally confirmed that he is, in fact, Batman."
I’m Batman, confirms Trump "The White House has since clarified that the official form of address will remain President Trump and not President Batman." Edited by Heathen, : No reason given.
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
From With AR-15s, Mass Shooters Attack With the Rifle Firepower Typically Used by Infantry Troops:
quote: --Percy
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Over the last couple of days, Trump has been chiding his fellow Republicans regarding their unflagging loyalty to the NRA. I think that kind of presidential needling can be a good thing. Trump insists that while he thinks the NRA is great, that he does not agree with them on everything.
All of that is reasonable. We might wonder whether Trump has enough political strength to oppose the NRA and much of his party. Or we might wonder that if he was not pushing proposals that are dead in the water. For example, Trump has been talking about doing away with due process to deprive folks of guns. While that isn't too far afield of what some lefties, including some folks here, would like to see, the fact is that such a proposal is clearly unconstitutional, and is also a clear losing position. Democratic lawmakers would be well advised to push their own proposals rather than to help the president screw the pooch. 75 percent of the public is in favor of all kinds of reasonable gun control ideas that are opposed by the NRA. But I think there are quite enough due process exceptions already. For example: http://thehill.com/...nors-dont-have-constitutional-right-to
quote: Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
I see three problems with Trump's gun control comments:
You're right that Democrats should promote their own proposals - attempting to follow the president's lead would be like trying to follow smoke wafting through the air that eventually dissipates and disappears. I agree about due process. Hopefully we can significantly reduce gun prevalence legislatively through gun control. --Percy
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
When Trump invites in the cameras, Trump just plays to the audience. What he says cannot be relied upon. I've been trying not to be gullible. I knew that his campaign promises on health care were BS, but I am still holding out some hope that Trump can get some movement from his party on gun control. But I will likely be disappointed. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Here is an article from Time magazine which suggests that the NRA is open to having Republicans put forth some gun control proposals.
NRA Gives Republican Party OK to Talk Gun Control | Time
quote: I found this article interesting for several reasons. 1. Gun sales, by all reports, are down now, and there is not much disagreement that a major reason is having a Republican[1] and not a Democrat as the president. Although the NRA denies it, that lack of sales is certainly the motivation for their actions. None of the proposals out there is the least bit new, and neither is the fact that a majority of gun owners support many of those proposals. Several things are new. Those things include very visible activism among young folks over the issue, a Republican president that has indicated that he is not afraid of the NRA, and flagging gun sales. 2. Apparently, most Republicans are still kowtowing to the NRA, and need an okay from the NRA to do the right thing. For some Congressmen, the reason is pretty obvious. The NRA is a very large and consistent donor, and folks receiving their money and benefiting from the NRA campaign advertisements are not all that interested in losing that support. 3. I find the attempts by the NRA to deny that they are motivated by gun sales, and even they approached any legislators pretty humorous. 4. I am going to talk to my wife about a trip to DC next month if there is not a strong protest scene here. Anyone else thinking about joining the protest on March 24? [1] Trump is still a buffoon, but he seems to have blundered unto something even though his actual proposals are idiotic. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith |
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I've been trying not to be gullible. Yeah, I am an idiot. Trump took back all of the stuff that he said when it appeared he had some backbone. Not falling for this crap again. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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According to a study covered in this piece at Ars Technica gun injuries drop during NRA conventions. By 20% nationwide and a whopping 63% in the hosting state.
If the NRA want to help reduce gun violence they should hold more conventions!
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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If the NRA want to help reduce gun violence they should hold more conventions! The NRA does not want to reduce gun violence. Their claim is that gun violence should be confronted with more gun violence. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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I think ill probably most likely kill around 50 or 60, Jesse Osborne declared in his Instagram group chat. If I get lucky maybe 150.
Six days later on September 28, 2016, using his father's .40-caliber pistol Jesse Osborne killed his father at home, then killed 6-year old Jacob Hall and wounded two other children at the Townville Elementary School in Townville, South Carolina. His gun jammed after just 12 seconds. Jesse hadn't wanted the pistol. What he really wanted was his father's Ruger Mini-14 semiautomatic rifle, much like an AR-15. But it was locked in his father's gun safe. Making weapons of war unavailable does make a difference. Source: Inside an accused school shooter’s mind: A plot to kill ‘50 or 60. If I get lucky maybe 150.’ --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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The October, 2017, issue of Scientific American ran the article More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows (original title in the print version was Journey to Gunland). I'm not sure why the link works - usually Scientific American is very restrictive about what they make available online.
The article's main point is that guns make people less safe, not more, something we knew already but that is hotly contested by gun advocates who cite their own studies. This article discusses the conflicting studies and also includes many other details, most of them familiar, but it helps to keep repeating them. The article doesn't provide references to studies, but in most cases I was able to track them down and provide links.
--Percy
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