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Message 1316 of 2887 (829679)
03-12-2018 8:17 AM
Reply to: Message 1313 by Tanypteryx
03-12-2018 1:06 AM


Re: A knife-edge thick contact is NOT an inch thick
Tanypteryx writes:
Another question this brings to mind, can sandstone form relatively near the surface and without the extreme pressure that we normally see sedimentary rock being subject to? I am just trying to understand the lithification process that captures the cross bedding of sand dunes. Can water passing through the sand initiate a chemical reaction that results in a solid mineral matrix filling some of the space between sand graines?
Remember that sandstone in particular records a visual recording of time. The sand dunes show evidence of being covered by material moving in a different direction at a later time but while the material is still unlithified.
Looking at the image there does appear to be a layer at the base that is more homogeneous and less differentiated than what is above. That could well be a sign of sand liquification that could be associated with an even before the layers above were deposited. A seismic event during the early intrusion of wind blown sand over an exposed Hermit layer would destroyed the bedding of a layer making it more homogeneous and also filling any open cracks but the continuing desertification would create the later structure we call the Coconino.
Time. Isn't what we are seeing is just yet more evidence of long, long time periods?

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Message 1317 of 2887 (829680)
03-12-2018 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 1315 by Faith
03-12-2018 8:13 AM


Re: A knife-edge thick contact is NOT an inch thickEros
Faith writes:
The area is singled out because it's unusual and because it is evidence against millions of years between depositions.
Erosion can occur in the contact between layers from water runoff or tectonic moveme4nt. In any case the erosion that is seen is not what would be found on the surface. What's impossible is that any layer could have been deposited over millions of years.
Yes Faith, we know you keep saying that and that you have never provided any reason to think it is evidence against millions of years between depositions.
Sorry Faith but you have nothing except the dogma of your cult.

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jar
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Message 1322 of 2887 (829687)
03-12-2018 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1318 by Faith
03-12-2018 8:38 AM


Re: A knife-edge thick contact is NOT an inch thickEros
Faith writes:
The evidence is what you see when you look at the surface of the earth now. It looks nothing like what we see between layers of the geo column.
Except, as always, reality shows you are simply wrong. The fact is that what we see at each "geo column" actually does look very much like the surface of the earth today; we find evidence of sand dunes and forests and lakes and oceans and mountains and volcanoes and meteor strikes and floods and salt plains and rivers and everything we see on the surface today.
But that is reality Faith and not just the dogma of your cult.

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Message 1324 of 2887 (829690)
03-12-2018 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 1323 by Faith
03-12-2018 9:28 AM


Evidence of long time passages
Faith writes:
You are not talking about what anything LOOKS LIKE, you are talking about bits and pieces and odds and ends of stuff that are associated with particular sources and make the interpretive leap to the conclusion that those landscapes actually once existed there. You are NOT looking at the actual surface of the earth in any supposed "time period" but that is what we'd have to see for any of the geological timescale to be true..
So you claim, yet reality says once again that you are simply wrong and that you and your whole cult have nothing in the way of evidence to support your fantasies except the writings of ignorant humans collected as part of your Bible. You have been sown fossilized stream beds, shore lines, embedded tree stumps, sand dunes all the things we find on the surface today. You have been shown fossilized tracks and casts of leaves; all evidence that they were originally on the surface and on the surface when they were buried.
Here is the Navajo Sandstone yet again; hardly flat, certain not deposited by your fantasy flud.

"The Wave" [CC BY 2.0 (Creative Commons — Attribution 2.0 Generic — CC BY 2.0 )], by Alex Proimos from Sydney, Australia, from Wikimedia Commons
We have the geology, we have the model, we have the fossils, we have the reef, we have the wind deposited dunes and all you have are stories made up by ignorant humans.
We win.
ABE:
Faith; you understand that even a single grain of sand is evidence of long, long, millions of years of time don't you?
Edited by jar, : see AbE and fix sub-title.
Edited by jar, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 1326 of 2887 (829693)
03-12-2018 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 1325 by Faith
03-12-2018 10:14 AM


Re: A knife-edge thick contact is NOT an inch thickEros
Faith writes:
Tracks occurred during the Flood between waves or when the tide was out, sand dunes were just transported sand, that isn't a stream bed, tree stumps were transported etc etc etc, and of course it was all "originally on the surface" but the Flood moved all kinds of things that were originally on the surface, and what we don't see is an actual earth surface in any of the layers, which would have to be there if the whole "time periods" notion had any truth to it. But there is only these flat slabs of rock one on top of another stretching for long distances. And again, The Wave sure looks like something that was shaped in water.
Again, you are just making up really stupid shit Faith.
You have never presented a single explanation of how any of those really stupid ideas could happen and in fact for a good reason; they are all nonsense.
There is no way a flood could carry an intact reef, intact cross bedded sand dunes, not wipe out tracks or any of the other sill things you post.
BUT WAIT, there's more.
Even if any of your stupid ideas were possible the fact that the reefs exist, the sand exists, is clear evidence that the Earth is old, very very very old.
Just one handful of sand is proof of an old Earth or a lying God; take you pick but them's the only choices possible.

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Message 1376 of 2887 (829790)
03-14-2018 6:50 AM
Reply to: Message 1374 by Faith
03-14-2018 5:55 AM


The Bible is the word of man and not even a consistent word of man.
Faith writes:
The Bible is unequivocally God's word and whether you see it or not I believe I've shown many times the evidence that makes the Flood the only possible interpretation against all the fantasies of Evolandia.
Yet you have never presented the evidence that explains why God made factual errors and contradictions and could not even keep his story straight and consistent in the Bible or why God could not even decide what material should be included in and excluded from the Bible.
Nor have you ever explained how your imaginary flood could do any of the things found in reality. How can the flood move whole reefs intact, move bedded sand dunes intact, move tree stumps and root systems intact, not effect or even be noticed by cultures that exist before, during and after the flood, sort fossils in the order found.

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Message 1399 of 2887 (829832)
03-14-2018 4:14 PM


Dear Faith.
Here is the Navajo Sandstone.

"The Wave" [CC BY 2.0 (Creative Commons — Attribution 2.0 Generic — CC BY 2.0 )], by Alex Proimos from Sydney, Australia, from Wikimedia Commons
How did the flood create that?

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Message 1486 of 2887 (830663)
04-04-2018 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1485 by Faith
04-04-2018 4:27 PM


Re: Creationist film "Is Genesis History?"
Faith writes:
There is no way to confirm the dating methods because there is no way to see into the past.
Let me fix that for you.
There is no way to confirm the dating methods because there is no way for those who wish to remain ignorant to see into the past.
For those who do not wish to remain ignorant there are many, many ways to see into the past.
Even the wilfully ignorant Creationists see into the past when they want to see those fantasies that support the dogma of their cult.

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Message 1498 of 2887 (830687)
04-05-2018 6:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1496 by Faith
04-05-2018 2:30 AM


Re: Creationist film "Is Genesis History?"
Faith writes:
A lot of my "blithering nonsense" is well expressed in the film supposedly being discussed here, which shows that I'm in tune with the others who share my paradigm.
No one has ever doubted that you are in tune with the rest of the Christian Cult of Ignorance & Dishonesty Faith.
Faith writes:
No, I'm sure it is not deliberate lying by creationists, it is only their refusal to accept what evolutionists say, which is sensible of them.
No one doubts that Creationists believe they are not lying; yet that is what they do.
Faith writes:
I just gave some of the evidence you say I haven't given in that last post.
The Bible is not evidence of a Young Earth Faith; and it is not even good evidence for the dogma of your cult.
Edited by jar, : fix quote box

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Message 1529 of 2887 (830734)
04-05-2018 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1527 by Faith
04-05-2018 6:12 PM


Re: Creationist film "Is Genesis History?"
Faith writes:
So do creationists report what is there, only they interpret it by a different paradigm.
No, Creationists misrepresent what is there and then make shit up that they know the ignorant cultists would believe.
Faith writes:
The evidence is the same, the interpretation is what is different.
Except that Creationists never honestly present the evidence that is actually there.

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Message 1534 of 2887 (830747)
04-06-2018 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1533 by Faith
04-06-2018 10:24 AM


Re: Creationist film "Is Genesis History?"
Faith writes:
It may be going too far to say others who consider themselves Christians with different ideas of the Bible aren't really Christians, but since YEC is considered to be the only accurate understanding of the Bible, they are within their rights to make that judgment, and they may be right.
Utter nonsense and falsehoods Faith.
YEC is considered nothing but a Cult of Ignorance.
YECs claim they have the right interpretation yet are always misrepresenting what the Bible actually says and denying the reality of what the Bible actually says. They are at best simply delusional. If they claim to be Creation Scientists they are simply professional liars.

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Message 1563 of 2887 (830827)
04-07-2018 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1542 by Faith
04-07-2018 11:21 AM


Re: The tracks in the rocks
Faith writes:
We're talking waves and tides here. A very long wave just laid down the layer the tracks are found on; it goes out and when the next wave rolls in the creature runs from it. As I already said, the tracks show a running pattern, the creatures were not "living" on the wet sediment, they were running from the next wave.
The next wave was really stupid; yet another proof of how stupid the Biblical flood was. Not only did it not catch the runner it was too stupid to erase the track like today's much smarter waves do.
Come on Faith. Your stuff just gets sillier and sillier.

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Message 1566 of 2887 (830832)
04-07-2018 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1564 by Faith
04-07-2018 7:39 PM


Re: The tracks in the rocks
And so the flood is even dumber than imagined. The person that made the flood must have been a real idiot.

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Message 1574 of 2887 (830841)
04-07-2018 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1573 by Faith
04-07-2018 9:09 PM


Re: The tracks in the rocks
Faith writes:
The previous wave is still sucking water out of the sediment.
And you wonder why we call your posts silly?
It is because we are being charitable Faith.

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jar
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Message 1577 of 2887 (830844)
04-07-2018 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1576 by Faith
04-07-2018 9:21 PM


Re: The tracks in the rocks
Faith writes:
I guess you've never watched a wave recede, how the wet slick it made immediately looks like it's drying out.
But that is not at all what you said.
The wave does not suck water out of sand. Sand is porous. Where do you think the water goes?
Really Faith. The whole idea of some Biblical flood is so silly no honest sane person could take it seriously.
AbE:
Faith writes:
Oh and I don't wonder at ALL why you call my posts silly. You are preprogrammed to say such things about anything a creationist says.
Only the truly stupid things they say. Granted almost everything they say is either stupid or a lie but I'm sure something honest and sane must accidentally get said.
Edited by jar, : see AbE:

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