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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sorry but I don't talk about such things. That to me is as utterly silly as "Natural" (plant-based) Health Solutions.
If they have issue talk to a doctor; avoid the religious nutjobs and natural plant crazies.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The difference is of course related to entirely diametric thought processes. Faith belongs to the group that totally turns off any analysis at all and places total believe in the marketing that agrees with her prior position ignoring all reality and the actual Bible or actual history or any actual evidence.
It's an interesting process to observe.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No one hates you Faith but it is reasonable to point out that you do not seem to know what evidence actually is or how to critically examine subjects.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: I challenge you to prove that there is not legitimate science behind the many studies involving the mitochondria and whether or not science can help rebuild damaged mitochondria within the human body. First, do you even have a clue what mitochondria are? And if you want to discuss a study then you need to provide a link to the study, not to some video or marketing piece but to the specific study.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
A video is not a study.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: I said I believe in demons who could manifest as leprechauns and he said that's about the same as believing in leprechauns, so I conclude he doesn't believe in demons, which means he doesn't believe in the Bible. As usual your conclusions are based simply on your fantasies and not reality in any way. I believe in the Bible. I do not believe in demons. Sorry Faith but the two facts posted above totally refute your conclusion as expected. The problem Faith is that you do not know how to think, how to analyze an issue, how to evaluate evidence or even what evidence is.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Of course, a majority of Americans belong to your oft-touted "culture of ignorance" and I have learned how to think analytically from time to time, but both Faith and I are too old (and tired)to bother with such tedious work in most cases. Correct. It is far easier to not have to actually do the research and just believe the snake oil salesmen.
Phat writes: It just frustrates us that so many of you refuse to believe or engage in intuition but would rather be forever analytical and methodical. Your willful ignorance or frustration is simply Not My Problem. If you choose not to do the work necessary and instead trust intuition then you get the world you create.
Phat writes: Note this article: How Critical Thinkers Lose Their Faith in God where the argument is made that Religious belief drops when analytical thinking rises. Thank God that appears to be true. Most religious beliefs just like God should be thrown away and critical thinking is a great tool that helps people Throw God Away. That is a GREAT blessing.
Phat writes: The method which Faith has chosen is intuition, not critical nor tedious analytical thinking. Sad, pitiful in fact but certainly true.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: I've always been a critical thinker and that did not change when I became a Christian. Yet post after post from you declares that you refuse to be a critical thinker or even have a clue what critical thinking or even thinking envolves. Sorry Faith but when you claim to think critically you are simply posting yet another falsehood. In Message 400 you posted " I'm not interested in the studies enough to put in the effort. I don't think they are important, as I said, and enough information has been given in the films anyway. " In Message 358 you posted "Actually God made all creatures herbivores originally. It was after the Flood that God told Noah to begin eating meat. No explanation was given but my guess would be it was the most efficient way to get all the nutrients into our systems after the Fall started the process of deterioration of all our food sources. " In Message 384 you posted " I admit I'm not good at keeping track of sources, but the information in these films is very convincing." And you posted " I'm properly evaluating it, I expect intelligent people to take my word for it. " in Message 391. Faith I am happy to continue quoting your posts and be assured I can produce many hundreds such examples but it is simply not true that you think critically. Granted it is not just you, the suspension of honesty and critical thinking are the very basis of modern Conservative Evangelical Biblical Christianity; particularly all of the Calvinist and Inerrancy Chapters of Club Christian.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The only known connection between the Jesuits and the Gunpowder Plot is that Father Garnet may have known of the plot from information heard during confessions which of course is no indication that the Jesuits played any role in the planning or execution of the Gunpowder Plot.
Edited by jar, : applin spallin
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Until recently the song sung on Guy Fawkes Day named the Jesuits as behind the plot and Fawkes as a Jesuit agent. Again Faith, even if that were true it is not evidence of a Jesuit Plot.
Faith writes: That line has been removed. It's also hard to find references to the Jesuit instigation of the plot at Google, must be because the Jesuits themselves are working hard to keep it all cleaned up for their image. Again Faith, that is just another example of you not thinking critically and simply accepting dogma and confirmation bias.
Faith writes: The Jesuit Order was founded to be the spearhead of the Catholic Counterreformation, in which service they've always worked to bring down Protestant governments and undermine Protestant influence in the schools and in every other way they can. They've never given up that effort and never will.. And so you add yet more unsupported assertions and the dogma from your cult. Faith. it is posts like that which make it nearly impossible for any rational person to accept anything you post whether about Christianity, Foods, Health, the Bible, or any other subject.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Actually Faith, we have learned a great deal since the twentieth century. But again, just because something is written in a book does not mean it is evidence of anything other than the fact it is written in that book.
Faith writes: The best evidence against the Jesuits and the Vatican is found in books written before the twentieth century because there's been a concerted effort to purge such writings from the public arena since then, replacing it with tons of lying Catholic propaganda. Yet you have never provided any evidence of any of that. The relevance to the topic is that in both areas all that you present in anecdote, testimony, not evidence.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
jar didn't forget those things but jar pointed out that the God of the Bible did nothing to stop the famines and in many cases directly caused those famines.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Of course, they are His judgment for sin. Punishment. Of course nobody likes the idea of being punished for sin, but justice requires it according to God's law. But the principle of mercy in judgment means that He did inspire some people to provide relief in famine to those who trust Him, even having mercy on whole nations as He saw fit. That does not alter the fact that the God you market is still the source and cause of the famines and fully responsible for those famines and for the fact that such genocide does not just punish the guilty but rather the innocent as well. But even more relevant to the topic is that your justification of such behavior is simply another example of your utter inability to think.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: So, the judge who passes the death sentence on a serial killer is responsible for killing the serial killer. OK. Or doesn't it make more sense to say the killer deserves the death sentence and is therefore the one responsible for it? Yet another example of your inability to think period. Before the Judge passes any sentence there is first a charge against the individual, an indictment, a trial where evidence for and against the individual is presented and a judgement by a panel of peers. The persons wife and child are not punished. But that is not the case with the God you market. There is no trial, no evidence, no independent jury, no defense and the guilty and innocent are punished indiscriminately.
Faith writes: As for the innocent being killed along with the guilty, actually God usually warns the innocent to escape, such as when He warned Lot's family to get out of Sodom because He was going to bring a fiery judgment on that city. And when Noah preached that the world was going to be destroyed by water so that people might be saved on the ark. And when He had Elisha, or was it Elijah, warn the Shunemite woman about the coming famine and told her to escape to Egypt. And when He warns the innocent people in the Harlot Church to "get out of her My people lest you partake of her plagues." And so on. And, of course, when God's people take the gospel to people around the world, it is a warning to come to Christ to be saved from the fiery judgment to come on this earth, and on all sinners for eternity. So says the dogma of your cult yet the Bible says otherwise. In the Exodus story the Pharaoh repeatedly agrees to the God characters requests yet the God character intentionally changes the Pharaoh's mind just to continue showing that the God you market is cruel and unjust. There are many other such examples as you would know if you had ever read the Bible beginning with Adam and Steve.
Faith writes: God always provides a way out to those who trust and obey Him. You just don't like His terms. Like all those who heard Noah's preaching but refused to believe him. You are partially correct, I do not like the terms from the God you market and no reasonable moral person should like those terms. Fortunately, the God you market is simply a human creation, a character is human created stories.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: But again, God is sovereign and trusting your own thoughts above His is sheer folly. We are not in a position to know God's thoughts beyond what He has revealed to us in the Bible, but we are all to trust His greater wisdom whether we understand or not. Yet the Bible actually says we should question and judge God. What you post and what your cult markets is exactly the opposite of thinking, critically or otherwise and is evidenced in your understanding of the Bible and your cults inability to deal with what the Bible actually says. This is the issue also seen in this thread where you admit that you are unwilling to do the work necessary to actually look at the studies involving nutrition.
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