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Phat
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Message 575 of 606 (830432)
03-29-2018 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 571 by Faith
03-28-2018 1:40 PM


Catch-22
Faith writes:
All this stuff is pretty new, new to me for starters. The videos might inspire people to get deeper into it all.
However, what would you expect to be convinced of anyway? One of them is about a woman in Florida who looks half her age living on a raw vegan diet most of which she grows in her own yard. The other is about a man in Baltimore who started growing microgreens in his house for his own consumption and then took over a whole bedroom to grow enough to sell to his neighbors.
Based on what you have told me and taking your age into consideration, I agree that a vegan plant-based diet would likely be the best for you. It sounds like that your main problem appears to be motivation and energy levels with which to get started in the first place. Like I and my insulin problems, your problem is a catch-22. You need the energy to become motivated to start a garden and/or get mild exercise to gain energy.
I have no doubt that your energy would be maximized(for your age and health) were you to become more active but how does one simply become more active if they dont have the energy?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 577 of 606 (830435)
03-29-2018 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 576 by PaulK
03-29-2018 9:46 AM


Re: Insulin as culprit regarding many diseases
Thanks for your concern. I'm letting the Doctors know everything that I am doing.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Message 579 of 606 (830438)
03-29-2018 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 578 by Faith
03-29-2018 10:05 AM


Inflammation, Awareness, and Discipline
Faith writes:
I'm mostly trying to get some inspiration and a feel for all the possibilities by watching the videos, and I like a lot of the plant-based diets but I don't think I would ever be completely vegan let alone raw vegan. Annette Larkins is very impressive, however, and I've watched some of her meal prep videos. I'm going to try one as soon as I get all the ingredients on hand.
It's arthritis that keeps me from being active though, not lack of energy -- I have to use a walker.
I'm sorry to hear that. Old Age is a b*tch. I am only 58, but the extra insulin ages me, and one of the reasons that i am taking control of my health is because all of the medications were not solving the problem---apart from controlling the numbers, I was and am doomed to age and decline regardless of the medications used.
Arthritis is an inflammation problem, and likely requires numerous medications which cannot be eliminated. Excess sugar causes much of the inflammation indirectly, however...I would research this more in order to confirm my assessment. If you were to drop the higher glycemic carbs such as potatoes and bread (oh but they taste so comforting! ) and if you consumed a few healthy oils and fats such as salmon and avocados, you may find some success with controlling the inflammation through natural means as well as the medications which you have been prescribed.
The reality about food is that it has so many emotional connotations as well as simple nutritional ones, and managing ones own diet requires discipline, (in our case, prayer and surrender) and mindfulness as to the BIG picture. I wish you well in your journey as you attempt to control and minimize the harmful effects of arthritis that limits your mobility and may even make you cranky at times.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 582 of 606 (830477)
03-31-2018 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 581 by NoNukes
03-29-2018 11:25 AM


Re: Insulin as culprit regarding many diseases
Taking this over to Health 4 Life~The Science Behind Consumption since I dont want to take over Faiths plant-based thread.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 583 of 606 (830478)
03-31-2018 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 576 by PaulK
03-29-2018 9:46 AM


Re: Insulin as culprit regarding many diseases
Taking this over to Health 4 Life~The Science Behind Consumption since I dont want to take over Faiths plant-based thread

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 584 of 606 (830480)
03-31-2018 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 558 by Granny Magda
03-27-2018 7:07 PM


Re: Insulin as culprit regarding many diseases
To those participants who value the supposed good character of their alt-med gurus, I leave you to draw your own conclusions as to what this behaviour says about Rosedale's character.
Beyond Rosedale's general bad science, I see only a string of meaningless case studies, some of which are astoundingly vague. What exactly are we meant to conclude from this little parable?
Come argue with me in my thread. I have science on my side regarding the approach to tackling Type II Diabetes, unless you can find information which disproves Dr.Jason Fung---which I doubt you will find. Just because someone sells books does not automatically qualify them as being a quack.
Unlike Mercola, Dr.Fung is an actual practicing Doctor.
Take this over here at Health 4 Life~The Science Behind Consumption and I again challenge you to refute dr.Fung. You got me a little on Rosedale, but I still believe his science is sound---apart from his ignorance in his talk which you found.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 588 of 606 (830517)
04-01-2018 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 587 by Granny Magda
03-31-2018 11:40 AM


Re: Insulin as culprit regarding many diseases
You haven't presented anything to refute. I don't argue bare links or Youtube videos.
OK, here is my basic argument.
We all agree that diet is an individual issue. For me, the low carbohydrate approach is the best option. My Endocrinologist disagrees with me. In a sense, I am arguing against her. (I see her again Thursday)

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 590 of 606 (830529)
04-02-2018 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 589 by Tangle
04-02-2018 5:15 AM


Re: Insulin as culprit regarding many diseases
I agree that snake oil diets are dangerous. What I will maintain is that low carb diets are the healthiest way treat obesity and specifically type 2 diabetes. For many years the medical establishment was too dense to see this fact. They failed to see that the main cause of insulin resistance was insulin itself.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 593 of 606 (830550)
04-02-2018 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 591 by Tangle
04-02-2018 12:23 PM


Re: Insulin as culprit regarding many diseases
But if it was me I'd take advice from a couple of specialists rather thatn self-medicate.
Not I. The Doctors had their chance to manage my diabetes and they only ended up making it worse. To be fair, so did I...I was the one who suggested that I go on long-acting insulin initially many years ago. My logic then was that it would "preserve my beta cells from burning out" but in retrospect, it was a bad decision.
I will, therefore, inform them of what my diet will be, what my medications will be and in what doses. Their only job will be to monitor my results. If they don't accept my terms, they are fired and I shall find Doctors who understand the truth. Dont worry...I will have some Doctor monitoring my blood, but never again will I trust the established medical wisdom. It is simply wrong.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 595 of 606 (830564)
04-03-2018 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 594 by Tangle
04-02-2018 7:25 PM


Re: Insulin as culprit regarding many diseases
Tangle writes:
We are omnivores, our bodies rely on us getting enough of the things we need to grow and stay healthy - carbohydrates, proteins, vitamins, fats etc etc. If we eat a varied diet of fruit, vegetables and meat we'll have everything we need and there's no need to even think about it.
Except that our society at large is way out of balance regarding carbohydrates and processed foods. Diabetics (Type II) are specifically insulin resistant and in order to address the problem of insulin resistance, lowering carbohydrates and rebalancing the system is more of a priority than lowering blood sugar numbers by prescribing insulin. I would really rather discuss this in my own thread, however.
Tangle, to Faith writes:
I wouldn't have objections if what you were talking about was based on substantial, medical research - not celebrity crank food fads. Get your information from decent sources-- not youtubes and fanatics.
Some YouTube sources are also scientifically based, like the video that I posted in my thread on Caloric Restriction vs Endocrine System.
Despite your claims that it is magical quick-fix thinking, I see it as valid science and will adjust my diet accordingly. as for good luck I don't believe in luck.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 598 of 606 (830607)
04-03-2018 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 597 by ringo
04-03-2018 12:34 PM


Re: Insulin as culprit regarding many diseases
If it got worse, why do you blame that on the doctors?
Because they did not warn me that increasing the insulin would, in fact, increase the insulin resistance and cause weight gain. You have to understand that they get paid by the pharmaceutical companies for conducting studies usingnew drugs recently approved by the F.D.A. My Endocrinologist talked me into using Trulicity which I discontinued on my own after observing the way that I felt while taking it and while not taking it. The bottom line as to how I felt all went back to diet. In traditional medicine, Endocrinologists are taught to treat a number. Lowering the blood sugar is their primary goal. Nutrition, though discussed, never is seen as a way to lower the need for insulin but rather to complement it. This type of thinking is what is being challenged by me and I will find out this week whether or not I was right or whether I was again hoping for a chance fantasy.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 600 of 606 (830742)
04-06-2018 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Faith
09-02-2017 11:02 AM


Have Faith It Moves Mountains
I don't know and I don't have the energy to try to find out. Please just ignore whatever I've said, I have to stop posting, I'm tired, I feel rotten, I can't deal with any of this right now although I keep trying. I have to stop. Thanks.
First, it is wise that you recognize your subtle blogging/internet addiction. I wouldn't say that it is a major problem at your age unless it keeps you from doing other things more likely to help you regain physical mobility, mental stimulus, and emotional support. As POGO said, "we have met the enemy and he is us."
Find out everything that you can about severe arthritis, what specifically causes the pain, how it gets worse and what natural plant-based solutions make it any better. Don't ignore the medical solutions and prescriptions that your Doctors give you unless they also have documented and undesirable side effects to your overall health. Quality of life is overall the main concern here, and each of us deals with specific health issues unique to us.
RAZD has perhaps the toughest battle among us here at EvC, and I am sure that he is aware of every useful strategy that he can muster to fight his cancer and the discomforts that come along with it. Keep him in prayer. jar has his vertigo, you have your arthritis and a sluggish metabolism, and I have my Type II Diabetes, sleep apnea, and neural complications. We are all getting older, and though we will never be 30 again, we can be the best that we can realistically be for our respective ages.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 601 of 606 (830743)
04-06-2018 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 599 by ringo
04-04-2018 3:26 PM


Re: Insulin as culprit regarding many diseases
If you think the pill is working, you do feel better. But similarly, if you make up your mind that the medical treatment isn't going to work, you're making up your mind to not feel better.
I was encouraged by my results after only just under a month on my new routine. The next step is to find a diet and lifestyle that I can realistically maintain for the rest of my life---or a good five years out.
Life is a marathon and not a sprint. I need to be balanced, realistic, and patient.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 605 of 606 (830812)
04-07-2018 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 604 by NoNukes
04-06-2018 2:36 PM


Re: Insulin as culprit regarding many diseases
I get your point. You are correct. The only caveat that I would add is that medical opinion differs on the treatment plan. I am going with the approach that minimizes pharmaceuticals and emphasizes low carb for type II. My numbers support my decision thus far. One cannot argue with evidence now, can one?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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