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Message 613 of 1482 (830058)
03-20-2018 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 608 by Astrophile
03-12-2018 4:16 PM


Re: Bible
Hi Astrophile
Astrophile writes:
What reason have you got to think that the authors of Genesis 1, Job and Isaiah believed that the universe was expanding
They did not have a clue to anything expanding. The word expand did not exist until late middle English. Which would have been somewhere between 1100 AD and 1500 AD.
Here is the origin of expand. expand | Etymology, origin and meaning of expand by etymonline
quote:
Origin
Latin
ex
out
Latin------expandere------------expand late Middle English
late Middle English: from Latin expandere ‘to spread out,’ from ex- ‘out’ + pandere ‘to spread.’.
But lets get a couple of facts straight.
Moses did not choose the English word to describe what he was trying to present for us to read. He used a Hebrew word which our English scholars interpreted to mean spread out.
As you can see Hubble used the same word that means to spread out that the word Moses used to describe what happened to the heavens, was translated as by out scholars.
Expand definition:
verb (used with object)
1. to increase in extent, size, volume, scope, etc.:
Heat expands most metals. He hopes to expand his company.
2. to spread or stretch out; unfold:
A bird expands its wings.
Apparently The translators could have used any of those descriptions to convey Moses thoughts to us.
Astrophile writes:
It seems more likely to me that the Biblical authors thought of God setting up the firmament as a canopy over the flat Earth,
No one that believes what is recorded in the Bible believes in a flat earth.
quote:
Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
It would be very hard to sit on the circle of a flat earth.
There was several pre-Socratic philosophers that believed that the world was flat.
Those people have nothing to do with God or the Bible.
There is a dome encircling the earth that God placed there to protect the earth from meteorites, solar winds, and other dangers.
In Oct of 2017 scientist began talking about a gigantic shield to protect our electrical infrastructure from solar flares.
Over the years there has been a lot of misinformation concerning what a Bible believing person believes. That is in part due to the lack of Biblical knowledge that most of God's people have. We are told to study to show ourselves approved to God, which most do not take the time to do. I am not responsible for anyone other than myself and those who attend my church. But I can not control what they choose to learn and remember.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 614 of 1482 (830059)
03-20-2018 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 611 by ringo
03-20-2018 1:14 PM


Re: Bible
Hi ringo
ringo writes:
Does expansion have anything to do with thermodynamics at all? It's the space that's expanding, not the stuff in it, and only stuff can contain heat.
I think so.
There is no such thing as empty space not even that of a vacuum as it is filled with particles that can pop into existence and disappear which happens all the time.
95% of the universe is filled with something that no one knows what that something is. That something is energy and energy contains heat. At some point there will cease to be a transfer of heat and nothing will move.
Now if you want to argue that 95% of the universe is void of all existence please present your argument.
ringo writes:
In any case, it doesn't address what I said. A tent does not expand; it unfolds. Moses had no clue.
You can't unfold or unroll a tent without spreading it out. Remember Moses was using the tent as an illustration of what he was trying to convey to us.
I don't know anybody here that has ever espoused the idea that the universe is expanding. If the universe is expanding from a central point that actually would require it to be expanding in a complete circle. All the pictures I see and descriptions given have the universe beginning at a point and then expanding in a forward direction from that point.
According to the definition of the word 'expand' it can and does be as it is spread out. Not only can it be spread out flat it can also be expanded vertically to increase the volume of the tent.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 619 of 1482 (830456)
03-30-2018 2:45 AM
Reply to: Message 617 by ringo
03-21-2018 3:18 PM


Re: Bible
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
You're misunderstanding those pictures. The "forward direction" is the time axis. The universe is expanding in three dimensions - a sphere, not a circle. The pictures are attempting to show four dimensions in two dimensions.
What is the mechanism that would cause the universe to expand in a forward direction.
The universe according to the BBT existed in a very, very, very small infinite volume at a very hot dense state. Since space is said to have increased between each of the quarks what would be the mechanism that would keep it from expanding into a sphere which is a perfectly round geometrical object?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 627 of 1482 (830537)
04-02-2018 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 620 by Phat
03-30-2018 3:30 PM


Re: Bible
Hi Phat
Phat writes:
it seems the pictures cant describe the actual expansion theorized as they are not 3-dimensional diagrams, time being the 4th dimension. Or am I misunderstanding the argument? It appears to me that the universe was "created" in time. The mechanism in my mind would have to be whatever it was that created this universe.
You do know that all the pictures are nothing more than the imagination of someone as there was no one there to observe what took place. Neither can what took place be observed in a lab.
Therefore everything concerning the early universe is based on assumptions.
I can find no one who can tell me what time is. Neither can they tell me how to measure time. If you don't know what time is you can't tell me how it is measured. If it can't be measured, how can it be a dimension?
According to the BBT time is a dimension of the universe therefore the universe was not created in time.
Time according to Hawking is imaginary time that goes in a vertical direction. It seems this assumption was made so the universe could have a beginning to exist.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 628 of 1482 (830538)
04-02-2018 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 624 by Tangle
03-31-2018 2:49 AM


Re: Bible
Hi Tangle
Tangle writes:
Accepting what we have for what it is, would solve all your problems at a stroke.
All you have are assumptions unless you have some scientific facts that I have not been able to find.
If you have the scientific facts about how the universe began to exist please present them for consideration.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 629 of 1482 (830539)
04-02-2018 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 626 by ringo
03-31-2018 12:17 PM


Re: Bible
Hi ringo
ringo writes:
As I said, it is not expanding in a "forward direction". You're misunderstanding the pictures.
No I am not misunderstanding the pictures. It actually shows the universe expanding in a forward direction.
It does not show the universe expanding in every direction at the same time.
ringo writes:
That is what the pictures are meant to show. What you see as a "forward direction" is time.
But the universe is not expanding in a time related forward direction.
It is a sphere expanding in every possible direction simultaneously.
Therefore it should look like a sphere.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 632 of 1482 (830551)
04-02-2018 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 630 by Tangle
04-02-2018 1:43 PM


Re: Bible
Hi Tangle
Tangle writes:
Science could present you with gold plated proof but you would still claim it false - because of what you believe.
Give me any scientific facts you have concerning the universe beginning to exist.
I am not talking about assumptions or hypothesis.
Tangle writes:
What we actually have is a large body of consilient evidence over multiple disciplines about how we think things work.
You have zero information of how the universe began to exist.
You do have assumptions of what took place after the universe began to exist.
There is the CMBR that was discover that tells us there was a long period of intense light after the universe began to exist.
If you have anything other than that please share it.
Tangle writes:
What we know and what we hypothesise about how the universe began is all available for anyone with the education and the mind to grasp it. That excludes both you and I.
I did not ask for a hypothesis I asked for scientific evidence.
A hypothesis in science is, a statement of a possible explanation for some natural phenomenon
I have a hypothesis that you will not even consider yet it is just as possible as the hypothesis you believe as fact.
You see I believe God created the heavens and the earth.
Science presently has to teach we don't know how the universe began to exist. It did not exist but it does exist today.
You say we have the CMBR that proves the BB took place.
I say the CMBR is proof that there was a light period of indefinite duration in which the earth grew plants and critters which at times died and was buried by accretion and then more plants and critters died and was buried by accretion. This took place over and over again until the first layers were buried under 5 miles of dirt and rock.
This decayed matter is what produced all the oil, natural gas and coal that is found buried in the earth.
I have searched for the scientific explanation for the oil without finding any satisfactory results.
Tangle writes:
But it's not necessary to know everything about the universe to know beyond all doubt that the superstitious beliefs of primitive peopls can be put aside for what they are.
It would really help to know how it began to exist. That would give you a basis to build on to form an intelligent avenue to explore.
But I will agree that many of the superstitious beliefs of primitive people have no basis on which to exist. But on the other hand the current crowd is not doing much better. The YEC'S really mess up what the Bible text says. Science does not do much better. Every since I read Hawking's statement about creation not requiring God I have been looking for someone to come along and give me a logical explanation of how the universe began to exist.
Hawking's instanton will not work as it would require a vacuum to exist in which it could pop into existence. But if there was non existence it could not happen.
Two branes banging together and producing the universe has the same problem.
cavediver told me the universe just is. Great thought, but where did it come from?
Since the universe is said to be a self contained unit and there is no outside of the universe the only way it could begin to exist is by beginning to exist from non existence which would be an impossibility.
The only logical conclusion is that the universe was created by some outside force that most do not comprehend.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 634 of 1482 (830555)
04-02-2018 8:42 PM
Reply to: Message 631 by Tanypteryx
04-02-2018 2:36 PM


Re: Bible
Hi Tanypteryx
Tanypteryx writes:
I am not sure what pictures you are referring to, but maybe it is this one.
Yep that is the one. There is also one that is shaped like a football.
Tanypteryx writes:
This is a 2 dimensional graphic representation of 3 dimensional space that also tries to illustrate the passage of time.
Why do you believe time only advances in a straight line in one direction only?
That is probably because you believe time is a dimension.
I will give an illustration using 4 quarks only. We start with 4 quarks at T=0 The single point that all the universe is crammed into something the size of a pin point.
These 4 quarks begin to leave the pin point all going in a direction like a plus sign, at the speed of light. 10 minutes later they would be a long ways apart.
Now are you telling me that only one of those quarks is traveling in the straight line of time. Making the other 3 not experience duration.
Now add all the other trillion trillion trillion trillions of quarks all heading in a different direction.
Did time exist in only the direction of 1 quark?
Just maybe time is not a dimension and is only a concept devised by mankind to measure duration between events. If that is the case it can measure the duration of each quark from the time it left the pin point.
Tanypteryx writes:
The picture is just an attempt to illustrate what is happening in the Universe at different points in the progression of time.
The picture is an attempt to show time as a dimension.
Tanypteryx writes:
If you use a sphere to illustrate the history Universe you cannot show the passage of time.
Sure you can if you are only measuring duration between events using time. Events happen all over the place and none of them at the same place twice. Everything is in constant motion.
Tanypteryx writes:
If you use a sphere to illustrate the history Universe you cannot show the passage of time. Mathematics may be able to describe what is happening in the Universe, but only those who understand the math can use it to draw a picture in their mind what is happening. The rest of us need some sort of actual picture to grasp the general idea.
There you go hiding behind math. Math is only figures devised by mankind. Figures don't lie but involve a man and he can make them lie.
Tanypteryx writes:
OK, but time is a part of the Universe that does not expand in every possible direction so if you want to show it you need something more complex than a sphere.
Say it all you want but time has to be able to measure duration in every conceivable direction from the moment the universe began to expand.
Tanypteryx writes:
Do you have a better picture that illustrates the history of the Universe?
Only in my mind and I can not put it into words or draw a picture.
I only know if the BBT is correct the universe has to be a sphere that is expanding in every possible direction simultaneously.
Since you believe time is a dimension of the universe and can only advance in one direction you have a problem.
Time has to advance in every possible direction simultaneously.
Because no matter where you are in the universe and you look toward the pin point it all started you are looking back in time.
Has the thought ever occurred to you that time might not be a dimension?
My definition of time is and always has been.
Time is a concept of mankind based on the rotation of the earth in relation with the sun. That rotation taking almost 24 hours as determined by mankind. That 24 hours with each hour being divided into 60 minutes which is divided into 60 seconds per minute etc..
This measurement is then taken and used to measure the duration between events in reality.
Now if you think time is a dimension please explain what it is and how you can measure it.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 635 of 1482 (830556)
04-02-2018 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 633 by Tangle
04-02-2018 7:23 PM


Re: Bible
Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes:
You have absolutelty no idea what is possible and what isn't.
I can understand what non existence is, can you?
You know what existence is as you see it around you everywhere even out into the universe. Now if you can fathom none of those things existing including you, you might begin to understand what non existence is.
If there is non existence that means existence does not exist.
So the next time you want to tell me I don't know what is possible and not possible put you brain into gear and know the subject before you type words on the reply form.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 640 of 1482 (830626)
04-04-2018 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 639 by ringo
04-03-2018 12:25 PM


Re: Bible
Hi ringo
ringo writes:
You obviously do misunderstand. There is no "forward direction". Think of the picture as an animation: The initial inflation happens quicky, then expansion continues more slowly - but the universe itself is in the shape of a sphere.
If time travels in only one direction there has to be forward direction as time can not go backwards. But then again maybe time it not what it is said to be here.
If I think of the picture as an animation I would see it progressing in one direction.
Now inflation is a totally different subject.
By the way do you have or can you find any scientific facts that supports inflation?
Sir Roger Penrose one of todays most well-respected physicist says that cosmic inflation is a "fantasy"
Yes if the BBT is correct the universe is in the shape of a sphere.
ringo writes:
That's exactly what it shows.
What picture are you referring too.
ringo writes:
The universe is expanding as time passes. "Forward direction" is meaningless.
Can you explain to me what time is that it can pass?
If "forward direction" is meaningless, why is it that quite often we have:
_______________________________________________> arrow of time?
ringo writes:
It does. You're misunderstanding the picture.
You are the one that does not understand what the artist has presented.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 641 of 1482 (830628)
04-04-2018 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 636 by Tangle
04-03-2018 2:31 AM


Re: Bible
Hi Tangle
Tangle writes:
No, I understand what my own non-exisistence is but I don't understand what the non-existence of the universe is. And neither do you.
Your non-existence would mean you did not exist nor had you ever existed.
The non-existence of the universe would mean the same thing as the non-existence of Tangle would mean.
Non-existence could not produce existence. For the universe to begin to exist would require and outside eternal energy source.
Tangle writes:
What does nothing mean?
An absence of any thing. The same as non-existence.
Tangle writes:
When a physicists says that the universe is expanding, what is it expanding into? Nothing?
That is what he believes but it would be impossible to expand into nothing.
Take a balloon and put it in a bottle and put air into the balloon it will expand until it reaches the limit of space in the bottle then it will begin to come out of the bottle.
Notice the balloon can only expand into existing space.
But since space is supposed to only exist inside of the universe there is nothing outside the universe to expand into.
If the universe is expanding it is expanding into space that is outside the universe and is unlimited in volume.
Tangle writes:
You have demonstrated your ignorance of the subject several times when discussing these things with people here that do have the the education to make some inroads on it. You have never formally studied big physics have you? You can't even get the beginnings of the mathematics right. You throw sciency sounding phrases around like T=0 without the first clue what it means. This stuff can only be understood using mathematics but you haven't got a mathematics qualification beyond school have you?
T=0 is where General Relativity breaks down and is unable to give any data. Thus GR fails.
Tangle writes:
Please explain quantum mechanics to me, using what you call logic.
What does the mathematical description of the motion and interaction of subatomic particles, concepts of quantization of energy, wave-particle duality, the uncertainty principle, and the correspondence principle have to do with understanding what non-existence is.
Quantum mechanics deals with existing things not non existing things.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 642 of 1482 (830629)
04-04-2018 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 637 by Phat
04-03-2018 9:37 AM


Re: Bible
Hi Phat
Phat writes:
In the context of my beliefs, God was, is, and always will be. In contrast to this, the Beast mentioned in the book of Revelation (I)Once was, now is not, and yet is, for those whose name is not written in the Book of Life.
Phat, something has to have existed eternally in the past, present, and future. This something had to have enough energy to produce everything in the universe that is seen and that is not seen.
I prefer to call that something God.
Had there ever been non-existence there would still be non-existence as non-existence would mean there was no energy which is required to produce the universe we observe today.
The point at which the expansion of the universe began is said to contain infinite, energy and mass pilled on top of each other. Out of which all mass and energy in the universe was produced.
What caused that energy and mass to exist?
If it was eternal why did it wait so long to begin to expand?
If it was not eternal how did it begin to exist.
Phat writes:
Non Existence can be imagined through the concept of now is not. God created existence itself and if one walks with Jesus, one walks with a perpetual certainty of existence.
God did not create existence as He has eternal existence. There has never been such a thing as non-existence.
Phat writes:
Relying only on human wisdom exposes us to the risk of non-existence in that we have no certainty of perpetual existence either mathematically or practically. At least that's my 2 cents.
Relying on human wisdom is on shaky footing about any subject. We have too many bias's to contend with.
I have talked about no thing, an absence of anything, and non-existence and seemingly no one can grasp what either of those mean. Or they just refuse to consider the possibility that their state ever existed.
The universe exists, and we exist.
So the universe is eternal in existence in some form or it had a beginning to exist. If it had a beginning to exist what caused it to begin to exist when there was non-existence?
God Bless,

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Message 647 of 1482 (830765)
04-06-2018 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 644 by Tangle
04-04-2018 3:21 PM


Re: Bible
Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes:
Cobblers. Before I existed the atoms I was made of existed and after I cease to exist my atoms will exist. My atoms were there before and will be there after. The concept of no universe is the concept of something rather than nothing. Absolutely nothing. Not just empty space but not even the idea of space. Nothing. Nothing is not something we can deal with with language.
Your atoms existed before you were born, Yes.
Did the atoms you are formed from exist eternally in the past? OR
Did they begin to exist 13.7 billion years ago when the universe began to exist?
The atoms that compose you may or may not exist eternally into the future.
But the question why is there something rather than nothing, has been pondered for a long time.
Non-existence, absolutely nothing, and nothing represent the same thing. Nothing is a compound word of 'No Thing". The meaning of which is exactly that. It would cover everything you can think of that exists today not existing.. It is no problem to deal with except we will not accept the possibility of 'No Thing'.
Tangle writes:
And that's where your hopelessly lost aren't you? Like almost everyone on the planet you are unable to think beyond the mundane properties of what you physically experience and apply that parochial experince to stuff that is way, way beyond it.
The problem is you can't accept that there is 'No Thing" outside of the universe for it to expand into.
I am not the one who believes everything is contained in the universe in which we live.
I believe that there is a infinite third heaven (universe if you prefer) in which God created our heavens and earth. So our universe could expand as much as God wanted it to expand.
Tangle writes:
I note that you didn't contradict my claim that you have no education in either maths or physics that would give you the right of an opinion and at least a partial chance of discussing this subject with those that have.
My extent in math was calculus 60 years ago. I know that numbers do not lie. But I also know that man can make numbers say what he wants them to say. Einstein's biggest blunder proves that numbers will say what you want them to..
All the physics I have studied has been in the last 10 years.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 649 of 1482 (830767)
04-06-2018 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 645 by ringo
04-04-2018 3:39 PM


Re: Bible
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
Time doesn't "travel", literally. It has no "direction", literally.
Then why did you say in Message 626
quote:
That is what the pictures are meant to show. What you see as a "forward direction" is time.
ringo writes:
That just means that time can't be "rewound". What has happened can not un-happen.
Time can be rewound. Time is a concept invented by mankind to to measure duration between events in eternity. Time is not a dimension.
You can measure length, height, and width which are dimensions.
How do you measure time if it is a dimension?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 650 of 1482 (830768)
04-06-2018 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 646 by Tanypteryx
04-04-2018 4:01 PM


Re: Bible
Hi Tanypteryx
Tanypteryx writes:
Wait, I thought there were only 4 quarks. Where did you get a trillion trillion trillion trillions of quarks? Why are they all heading in a different direction than the 4 quarks?
What does any of this have to do with the picture?
I used 4 for just an illustration for direction only. So you could understand that the quarks were going in different direction not as in the picture.
Then I added all the other quarks going in different directions.
Since space between objects in the universe is what is supposed to have been expanding That would mean that space would have been expanding between every quark and noting would have ever existed in the universe.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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