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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
... there are lots of Christians in name only. And, as per the usual YEC, you can determine who they are, yes? I do know what traditional historical Christian theology is, yes, and the traditional historical method of reading the Bible, yes, so if I know what a particular person's theology is, then I know if it is the traditional historical theology or not, yes. If a person is arguing with the traditional historical reading of the Bible it is very possible that person is simply not a Christian. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I actually read hardly any "YEC screed" and my judgment of the relation between the rocks and the eras is my very own. In fact I don't think I've ever heard another creationist say anything about that at all. It's something I've spent a lot of time thinking about.
I'm pretty sure that you have no clue as to how the geological time scale was constructed. That's possible, but it probably wouldn't change my view to know that process. It's the everpresent connection shown on many charts of the eras as attached to the rocks that I'm judging from, and in many discussions about this others have pretty consistently accepted that connection, only disagreeing with what it means.
...but reading YEC screed doesn't give you an iota of insight into geology. In fact, some would say that you cannot do geology without having spent time out in the field. I don't consider myself to be "doing geology" at all. I'm trying to tackle the theory, the paradigm, the interpretive system, which I don't see as having much to do with the actual work of geology, just something you carry around with you and fit the facts into, which fit much better in another paradigm. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
In short, unless the revision to the ages worked within physics as it is currently understood it would require revisions to physics Seems to me the theory is correct enough, but it is encountering unknowns in the past that lead to error. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I know they are wrong because of all the other evidence of a young earth.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You keep saying there is evidence for the very old Earth but the only actual evidence I know of is the radiometric dating system.
While I've been collecting evidence for the young earth in the fact that there is no disturbance to the strata until after it's all laid down, showing that it was rapidly deposited and not over millions upon millions of years the greaqt geographic extent of most of the strata which shows thatnothing could have lived during that "time period" and all the rest of it I'm too tired to collect right now
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
you've been presented with all thes multiple sources of independent evidence Just describe one please.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You are attributing a quote to me that isn't mine.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Tangle seemed to be saying there were ordinary ways the earth is shown to be old, in the various different fields of science like paleontology etc. Your list is rather exotic.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Christianity, like all belief systems evolves. Some parts die, some parts change and some parts stay the same. Hilariously a king changed it overnight beacuse the version in force at the time didn't suit him. The fact that it does change tells you a lot about the belief - ie that it's all made up. People notice. Christianity does not evolve. We have it all down in writing and it has never changed. What a king does can't affect the unchangeable written tenets of the religion. If people start to live by the king's rules instead of the Bible's it's not Christianity. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You are attributing a statement to me that is not mine and I could not possibly have ever made. I assume it is from jar.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
-- Faith writes: {NO I DID NOT} Had your book of ancient myths never been written this convestation would not be happening. What you mean by all the other evidence is your interpretation of those myths and nothing else. Yet Traditional Christianity realized over two hundred years ago that the Earth was not young, that evolution happened, that humans are simply one species of primate, that the Biblical Flood never happened and that the Bible is a creation of man. Traditional Christianity moved on as more was learned and it was only the Christian Cult of Ignorance that remained behind. This is the third post I've run across so far with a quote attributed to me that is not mine. This must be Tangle's. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No Coyote, I've spent a lot of time here showing evidence from geology and population genetics that the standard timing of the Old Earth and the ToE is wrong. Nothing to do with religion.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I wanted evidence from the sciences you listed, and specifically NOT radiometric dating..
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The geological record is a testament to long ages. The evidence clearly shows multiple tectonic events, widely separated in time, as well as long periods of non-deposition where considerable erosion occurred. Of course, different localities will show different events but it really is clear. Bald assertion. I've given actual evidence against all this many times from various presentation of the geologic column. Not one tectonic or volcanic or erosive event in the whole stack of strata that supposedly represent hundreds of millions of years. The Grand Staircase cross section is enough by itself to show that.
(And there are other things such as the time time required for lithification or the time required for magmatic intrusions to cool) All vastly exaggerated and not demonstrated.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What I "advocate" is just your way of obscuring the fact that I've given actual physical evidence that has nothing to do with my beliefs.
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