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You just love making your position increasingly silly don't you?Now you also need to post the model, method, mechanism, process or procedure that your Flud would cause the continents to separate or an ice age.The idea the Biblical Floods are anything more than plot devices in stories is what is truly ludicrous. Edited by jar, : + "r"

Yet more utterly dishonest misrepresentation from you Faith.You constantly show you do not believe what the Bible says but rather what your Cult claims it actually should have said.Traditional Christianity is based on honesty rather than the fantasy that is the major characteristic of the Christianity you market. Traditional Christianity believes the Bible actually says what it says, that it is NOT inerrant, that Young Earth, Creationism and Biblical Inerrancy are simply perversions of Christianity and pretty much a joke.Traditional Christianity has had no problem with the Earth being billions of years old, with the Biblical Flood being plot devices in stories, with humans being the product of evolution rather than Special Creation and that there has never been a Fall. Traditional Christianity places what the Bible actually says over the fantasies of your Cult.Creationism is only a modern lunatic fringe branch of Christianity. The idea of Inerrancy is also another example of the lunatic fringe trying to pretend there is any legitimacy to long discarded dogma by traditional Christianity. Young Earth is simply stupid.

Yet Traditional Christianity realized over two hundred years ago that the Earth was not young, that evolution happened, that humans are simply one species of primate, that the Biblical Flood never happened and that the Bible is a creation of man.Traditional Christianity moved on as more was learned and it was only the Christian Cult of Ignorance that remained behind.

Christianity, like all belief systems evolves.

A great start to a thread. Start it and lets discuss how reality is slightly more complex than you seem to think.Edited by jar, : fix attribution

Although this has been explained to you a brazillion times in a brazillion threads in a brazillion ways, fossils are found buried in the layer that was the surface at the time the critter lived along with the geology and environment that existed at the time the critter lived.It really is that simple.

For the same reason only the Cult of Ignorance see such things in the geological record; such things are local just as they are today. There are flat straight layer of sediment extending across huge spans of geography today and also not flat straight layers of sediment extending across huge spans of geography today but regardless of the particular local you look at today what you see are the critters alive today living in the environment of today.Yes Virginia, we see the same geological processes going on today as went on in the past. And no Biblical Flood either now or in the past.Edited by jar, : appalin grammur

You really need to learn to read. Or try honesty.The things found near a fossil, are those things that were local to the area where the fossil lived. All points are local.

But there was and you have been shown examples of such things a brazillion times and only your selective memory or dishonesty allows you to claim otherwise. You have been show where there were ancient seas, ancient mountains, ancient rivers, ancient swamps and ancient deserts.You can of course dimple deny having been shown such things but the rest of us understand that is just you denying truth and reality yet again.

No Faith, the order is the order where the objects were found in reality.That is just yet another thing that exists in reality and that is impossible to explain by your silly flud yet easily explained by the conventional theories instead of Cult Fantasies.We have a little list:

That has been your answer for every example that has been raised.BUT... we have known principles of physical sorting that account for what is seen in the geology, the biology, the radiometric evidence, the isotope evidence, the physical positioning and that are observable and happening today.This is the difference Faith.We have the fossils and societies and geology and radiometric samples and isotope samples and the model, method, mechanism, process and procedures that explain the evidence.All you have is the dogma of your Cult.Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

That has been your answer for every example that has been raised.BUT...we have known principles of physical sorting that account for what is seen in the geology, the biology, the radiometric evidence, the isotope evidence, the physical positioning and that are observable and happening today.This is the difference Faith.We have the fossils and societies and geology and radiometric samples and isotope samples and the model, method, mechanism, process and procedures that explain the evidence.We can show the relatedness and there are museums all over the world where the relatedness is shown.All you have is the dogma of your Cult.Young Earth is simply utter willful dishonesty.Creationism is simply utter willful dishonesty.

And what is the model, method, mechanism, process, procedure for a flood to sort objects to reflect the Linnaean morphological classification?

True, all you have is some unknown principle of sorting and the dogma of your Cult.On the other hand we have the known sorting that happens during deposition in water as well as the known sorting caused by floods and we know that neither process explains what is seen in reality.We also have known processes, procedures, models, methods and mechanisms that can be observed happening in reality and that explain what is seen in reality.If you wish to convince anyone that there was some world wide flood during the time humans existed or that the Earth is young you MUST be able to provide the processes, procedures, models, methods and mechanisms that can be observed happening in reality and that explain what is seen in reality.It really is that simple.One side has the evidence and the explanation and the observable processes.Your side has absolutely nothing but the dogma of your Cult.Edited by jar, : You side ---> your side

What is important about Faith's comment is that in hundreds of years of searching no one has ever found a situation where you could replace any of those fossils with any other fossils at any level and you'd still have the same kind of "order. If we replaced a trilobite fossil with a crab fossil it would be the biggest news ever. If we replaced marine invertebrates with mammals it would truly be news.BUT a flood would do that. If there had been the flood she markets then we would find an distinctly different and easily identifiable "order".