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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
RELIGION: All your questions answered ... ... trust us ... SCIENCE:All your answers questioned ... ... trust nothing ... Religion is about authority and depends on people (preachers etc), while science is about process independent of people, and you don’t need to be an accredited scientist to do science. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... Will we respond with trust? Which means he’s asking about a religious response, not a scientific one.
Science and Faith exist in peace in my own mind. ... Indeed, because we don’t know everything, there are beliefs we take on trust ... at least until they are shown to be erroneous. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : /by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Paboss and welcome to the fray.
It makes sense of everything and of anything because it can magically explain anything we cannot make sense of: Why do we see contradictions in the Bible? We have fallen minds. You can format to make lists easily -- see dBcodes/lists This formats the list with an indent:
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Well, well, well.
This gets us back to open minded skepticism ...
... In the latter there is no desired outcome rather the body of evidence itself determines the outcome. ringo is not displaying confirmation bias. There is the bias that something not discovered/evidenced but not negated still means it doesn't exist, but this has been shown false many times. Just as theory cannot be considered "truth" because evidence may turn up that negates it. Skepticism should always be tempered with open mindedness to the possibilities that may become known. But this is also where we get back to Message 1:
quote: The essential difference is that religion believes it has answers (as Faith's posts amply demonstrate) while science questions everything, ... especially including the unknown. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
What are the motives of science in general? To understand how things work. What are the motives of religion? Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
RAZD writes: Phat writes: What are the motives of science in general? To understand how things work. What are the motives of religion? To understand how everything works. And yet, religion is amazingly shy on how that understanding is tested and verified, while a number of scientific studies and investigations have shown that some of religions "explanations" for how things work are patently false. Meanwhile the short list of scientific discoveries that have been proven false by religion is:
quote: eg nada. Sound like a poor system. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
You've got radiometric dating which is really the only solid evidence you have for the timing factor. But if other evidence contradicts that, as I believe it does, it remains to be seen how well that method will stand up. Really Faith? Really??? Once again for the umpteenth time see any one of these age measurement threads
The reason that these threads continue to grow and expand is because there is NO valid contradictory information, while additional supporting information keeps getting added.
... as I believe it does ... Belief is not evidence or fact or anything but wishful thinking. Until you CAN produce contradictory evidence, not just to any one method of dating, but also to why they all correlate with each other, then [i]not ONE of the methods is invalidated. You are aware of these threads, you have admitted you can't explain ANY of the methods fitting your fantasy age, and yet you blather on as if they were just invented. Get a grip and shut up about age until you have evidence. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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ALL YOU'VE GOT IS DATING. ... What I have is evidence, objective empirical evidence, verified and validated from many sources reaching the same result: the earth is significantly older than any YEC fantasy delusion.
... If other evidence conclusively shows a young earth there is something wrong with the dating methods no matter how convincing they seem. ... There is no evidence that shows a young earth that is in any way conclusive of anything other than delusion.
... I think other evidence will eventually conclusively show a young earth. ... What you think is irrelevant and immaterial: until you actually have evidence you don't have evidence. Any belief that it will turn miraculously turn up is just self delusion.
... For now I put the dating methods in the column for your side. Then you need to stop making claims of a young earth until such time as you can actually address the issues. It is dishonest to spread YEC lies about the age of the earth. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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