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Yes, I know that it and other plants use runners to plant a new plant, etc.The humor of the remark aside, is even kudzu fast enough to outrun the 2011 Tōhoku tsunami that swept over the Japanese countryside at automobile speeds? And yet that tsunami is extremely smaller and slower than the proposed Fluddye is supposed to have been.In SoCal, the transplanted nemesis was ice-plant. It's a succulent that needs very little care or watering and grows into a thick sheet that covers the slopes next to freeways, which made it look like a good idea. What the planners didn't realize was that that thick mat of vegetation would become so heavy that the slope could no longer support it and it would come crashing down taking the slope with it. On top of that, it's very difficult to remove and eradicate -- I had first-hand experience with that on one job site.I did live in the South for 8 months in Biloxi, Missisloppi -- my 2 previous months outside of San Antonio, TX, don't count because we were kept isolated. The main road between Biloxi and Gulfport, Pass Road, was constantly being worked on and in less than a year would be filled with potholes again.

Bands and layers are not specific terms. When they are used they should be used only in a very site-specific situation. Saying "these layers" should refer to a definite location or picture. In a scientific sense, they are not even pertinent to this discussion.Other terms have very specific meanings, such as 'Period' or 'Stage', or 'formation', etc. Even the word 'continent' has a specific meaning, pretty much confined continental crust.The problem is that a given rock unit is typically time-transgressive ... some parts are younger than others. This is the case with the Tapeats for instance which shows evolution of trilobites during its time span of deposition. In this case it probably took on the order of millions of years for the Tapeats to transgress from the edge of the continent to the center.Because of this, time and rock are separate as Pressie has stated here several times. Rock (meaning 'strata') and time are not equivalent. I'm not sure how to explain it.This causes all kinds of problems for cognition. However, when the light finally comes on for students, it all starts to make sense. This is why Walther's Law is so important. It explains the sequence. It explains the source of sediments. And, it even explains the 'flat and straight contacts' that Faith is so fond of.Ask me about details and I can try to answer. I'll look at the rest of your post in a while.
____________________________________________________________One of the major misunderstandings here is the concept of time. I've been wanting to post this but my connections have been pretty bad lately. Anyway, we have to remember that, in Faith's world, there is no time.Consequently, there is no order to the fossils. All rocks and fossils were deposited in one year, so they are ALL OF THE SAME AGE!!!And, obviously, processes cannot occur without time. That is why Faith needs only one period of tectonism, one period of erosion, and one ice age, etc.So, in a way, it all makes sense. Only to her of course, and one must ignore a lot of evidence. But it is seductively simple.This is patently silly, but I believe it is how Faith thinks (I'm sure she will correct me shortly). So, discussion of processes and fossil orders are completely meaningless since fossils just formed where they dropped. It is how people thought in the 18th century. YEC just hasn't come that far in the last 200 years.

Very nice. In the Orinoco jungle I saw villages covered in similar weeds. Kinda spooky, actually.

All I've ever meant is that a time period, say the Cambrian, encompasses the rock, and vice versa, in this case called the Tapeats, and nothing you've said changes that. Those supposed millions of years all fall within the Cambrian, right, and the Camprian encompasses all of the Tapeats, right? So what's the problem?Since terminology matters so much and the most recent pages of this discussion have been a ridiculous mess of semantic confusion, there's no point in beating my head against this wall any more. I don't need to talk to Geologists, I can go talk to ordinary people.

The last sentence quoted above, taken in isolation, might give Faith the false impression that, for example, the Saharan erg does not overlie existing strata, which she would cite in support of her mistaken idea that sediments being deposited today have nothing to do with strata deposited in the past (by the Flood, in her view). Here's a diagram I found of the strata underlying a part of the Sahara in Egypt: --Percy

Your chart is yet another great example showing that particular rock layers often extend across several time periods and that there is a whole variety of rock types within any given time period.

Oh sure, you can find one exception to a rule that can be seen in hundreds of thousands of other places. But it doesn't really matter how you divide it, you've still got time stuck onto rocks no matter how they're sorted, and it's that correlation that's ridiculous and impossible . And I've many times acknowledged that a Time Period is often defined by many different rocks so that's not news. Still the same problem. There shouldn't be ANY rocks to identify time, period, certainly not rocks for all the time periods. Someday maybe one of you all will wake up and see the problem here.

Not if you want to learn about geology...

Someday you might actually tell us what the problem is and how your imaginary flood sorts the geology, biology, paleontology, archeology, radiometric and isotope samples in the order found in reality.Faith your constant rants and unsupported claims mean as little as the picayune thing you try to market as god.We have the geology, the fossils, the societies, the archeology, the radiometric data, the isotope samples and the models, methods, mechanisms, processes and procedures that explain what is found in reality.You have nothing but the dogma of your Cult.

I don't, thanks.

It would be better if you figured it out for yourself. there's more than enough information. Oh not you, that isn't going to happen, but others who hang out here might. Not that I'm holding my breath.

Yet for over a decade we have asked you to actually tell us what the problem is and how your imaginary flood sorts the geology, biology, paleontology, archeology, radiometric and isotope samples in the order found in reality and you have never presented anything in the way of models, methods, mechanisms, processes and procedures that explain what is found in reality or any way your imaginary flood could sort things as found in reality.We have the geology, the fossils, the societies, the archeology, the radiometric data, the isotope samples and the models, methods, mechanisms, processes and procedures that explain what is found in reality.You have nothing but the dogma of your Cult.Edited by jar, : add a space between any and way

I don't see it that way at all. At all. I'm completely at odds with everyone here and all the times I thought I'd finally got through I hadn't, and apparently you think you've make points I absolutely don't see and what else is there to say? There's no point in repeating ourselves as we do.

Sure. However, there are many exceptions, such as when a stratum overlies an igneous batholith. In fact, I'm pretty sure that it happens in a lot of places, including the Sahara, though I've not checked.

Good point. I'm pretty sure that Faith can handwave that away by saying that those aren't 'strata' (sensu faitho).