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Even some non-valid methods show the earth to be older than YEC tells us.

Pretty much the latter.I wrote the post late, for me, and couldn't figure out a way to word it better for the layman. I actually tried.When I saw that you didn't get my point, I just blew it off. There isn't much point in continuing a conversation with someone who is in such deep denial. If there is one thing I know, it's structural geology, and continuing to argue it with someone who basically has no conscience is fruitless.

Ask and you shall receive. Here is a strat column of the Lower Peninsula, taken from a Michigan State class. No need.Strata do not have to conform to your definition.Just ask if you need an explanation.

You have not seen 'the physical world'.You have seen a schematic cross-section of the Colorado Plateau.

I think we are seeing why first-year students have a hard time wrapping their heads around Walther's Law. In fact, after reading this exchange, I think I'm confused as well. And, thinking back on it, probably most professors don't really introduce the topic properly.It would seem that Walther's Law is easier to understand that it is to describe. Yes, it is an explanation of geometry, but a process and time for it to act are necessary elements.However, the point I'd like to make is that if Walther's Law is a law, it should tell us what WILL happen under certain conditions. Basically, he says that if there are laterally adjacent depositional environments, one will always be found above the other nearby (assuming, of course, no major discontinuities such as an unconformity). And really, there isn't any choice. That is because the different environments are migrating due to changes in sea level which occur over time and the sedimentary succession is growing.Once we add the time element in the process of transgression, it makes sense.As I have said before, time is the main thing that Faith does not have, and that makes the whole data set incomprehensible. Consequently, unknown processes and jinns become necessary to complete the Faith model. Edited by edge, : No reason given.

Okay, then, there would be soft-sediment deformation features everywhere along the unconformity. Put a simply as possible, geology has complexities that are hard to explain without using some jargon, especially when edge is tired after a long day. It is hard to see how rock buried under two miles of younger sediment could have much water in it and wouldn't be to some degree lithified. And besides, soft-sediments also show deformation. All the more reason it should show deformation.

And subsiding seas also. In multiple regional events. Probably. I would classify your 'flood' as a discontinuity in sedimentation which means that it would not apply exactly. As a slow transgression I can see it, but as a raging torrent careening across the continent, there is no time for the sediments to sort out. The entire Tapeats would be deposited and then the entire Bright Angel, followed by the entire Muav.That isn't Walther's Law in action which says that the depositional environments are laterally adjacent.On the other hand, various dating methods show us that time as passed and that at any given time the Tapeats is contemporaneous with the Bright Angel deposition.Once again, you lack the time factor.

Your equivocation belies the unviability of your model. Even soft sediments have some internal structure that can be deformed.Your requirement for kind'a, sort'a, just-a-little, maybe slightly hard sediment is not helping your argument. "Crumbling" is not what soft sediments do.

Oh, that's nice. It means that you can make up whatever you want.Must be nice.

More equivocation. Just more evidence that the flood does whatever YECs seem to want at the time.And I find it impossible that a current or wave or tsunami to carry sand and gravel half-way across the continent without leaving behind any evidence.

Please demonstrate in a valid context.

That's hardly a constraint.It's like saying, "Well, the flood must have happened on earth".

Then, indeed, Walther's Law has nothing to do with your scenario. This has been and is being done by modern, mainstream geology. There is evidence out there. You should look for it.

So, where are the 'crumbles' at the GU?

Well, first of all, Faith suggested that maybe fountains of the deep might be volcanoes, but she also says that the volcanism only occurred after the flood and after all of the sediments had been deposited. So I guess we can throw out that idea.And sure, the general treatment of the flood in the Bible does not give details. However, if all of the volcanism we see in the geological record occurred within just a 4ky time-frame that might merit a sentence or two in the Bible, yes?