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Message 1 of 89 (832983)
05-15-2018 2:48 PM


DEFINITION
Darwinian Evolution (Darwinism) is the inconsistent and unfair following the principle: laws of energy-momentum conservation (as well as all other conservations) are always valid. Even in the Virtual Big Bang. However this road leads to self-denial and lies: “Science v s God Its The Collapse Of Physics As We Know it” www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jbd7x
"Michio Kaku - The Universe Shouldn't Exist"
https://youtu.be/esPXpagkVwY
However nihilism (the atheism is its expression) is not the announced "absence of Absolute Truth", but simply the "art to lie without a shame".

DEFINITON
Creation Science (or simply Creationism) is the freedom from unfair and blind demand to follow the conservation laws in physics.

DEFINITION
The Nature is what Standard Instruments do measure (at least in principle), and Instruments are what measure the Nature. Shortly: “Time is what the clock shows” (Albert Einstein). This way the definition of Nature became free from our body-senses.

DEFINITION
Spirituality, and divinity – is what can not be measured by Standard Instruments. For example: your love to mom has no physical temperature, has no physical pressure. So, spirituality is not part of the Nature. Spirituality is not natural.

THEOREM
Actions of spiritual beings always violate the conservation laws of Nature.
PROOF: spiritual being is not part of Nature. However, the behaviour of Nature under the influence of spiritual beings is describable by addition several terms (functions and fields) into the equations of Nature. For example, the Newton Second Law a m = F (the m is mass of body, the a is acceleration of body, F is physical force acting on body) can fully describe the levitation and telekinesis by addition of the force-field K (with no natural source). So, a m = F + K.

THEOREM
Dark Matter and Dark Energy are source-less (it means with no natural source) terms A and B in Einstein Equation: G+A+B=8pi f T, where G is Einstein tensor, T is energy-momentum tensor of natural matter. The field f with values 0 or 1 is also spiritual influence, it describes Creation and Destruction of natural objects.
PROOF Spiritual source can not be measured, like the Dark Matter and Dark Energy are known only by their influence on Nature: the CERN has not detected Dark Matter. The gravitation (its interaction of Nature with the Dark Matter) can not be seen as material interaction, because there is no force of gravity in Einstein calculations, indeed, the free-falling object feels no gravity force.

CONSPIRACY OF ACADEMIC SCIENCE
The proof, that without the spiritual terms (like K, A, f, and B, which are space and time functions with no limiting conditions on them) the mathematics of Academic Science is not self-consistent: https://www.researchgate.net/...y-momentum_conservation_Laws
There can not be divine-less model of Nature. The spiritual beings and God are necessary.

Edited by Astronomy, : I have added words about Dark Matter, Dark Energy, and Creation and Destruction of Nature.


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Thread copied here from the The roots of Creation Science and Darwinism thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
    
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05-15-2018 9:38 PM


Wow.
However, the behaviour of Nature under the influence of spiritual beings is describable
by addition several terms (functions and fields) into the equations of Nature. For example, the Newton Second Law a m = F (the m is mass of body, the a is acceleration of body, F is physical force acting on body) can fully describe the levitation and telekinesis by addition of the force-field K (with no natural source). So, a m = F + K.

ICANT, could you field this one?


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Message 5 of 89 (832998)
05-15-2018 10:21 PM
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05-15-2018 2:48 PM


Darwinian Evolution (Darwinism) is the inconsistent and unfair following the principle: laws of energy-momentum conservation (as well as all other conservations) are always valid.

Nah - evolution can be true AND energy conservation could be false. Evolution doesn't rely on the principle of energy conservation to work. In fact, that it can work under the constraint of energy conservation is a bonus. Though I must congratulate you - it's refreshing to hear 'Evolution operates within the laws of thermodynamics' rather than 'Evolution requires breaking the laws of thermodynamics to work'.

Creation Science (or simply Creationism) is the freedom from unfair and blind demand to follow the conservation laws in physics.

Thaumaturgy is like that. It can be invoked to explain anything and as such, explains nothing.

Spirituality, and divinity – is what can not be measured by Standard Instruments. For example: your love to mom has no physical temperature, has no physical pressure

I see no reason it cannot be measured in principle. Hormone levels, neuronal excitement levels etc.


Actions of spiritual beings always violate the conservation laws of Nature.
PROOF: spiritual being is not part of Nature.

I don't see why, just because something is not part of nature, it must ALWAYS violate the conservation laws of nature. It could be possible that there any conservation laws that actually apply to both domains.

However, the behaviour of Nature under the influence of spiritual beings is describable
by addition several terms (functions and fields) into the equations of Nature. For example, the Newton Second Law a m = F (the m is mass of body, the a is acceleration of body, F is physical force acting on body) can fully describe the levitation and telekinesis by addition of the force-field K (with no natural source). So, a m = F + K.

F = ma is only true if you are using SI units, or performing appropriate conversions. Otherwise it's just F ∝ ma. Your K is not SI, indeed it represents a number that "can not be measured by Standard Instruments.", so you can just assert you can bungle it in the equation. But you are using it as if has the units of kg m/s2 - so all you need to do is measure, using standard instruments how much acceleration it provides a mass.

Add to this problem, the slight issue that all measurements we have ever derived for K make K=0, and you may as well just leave it out of the equation.

The proof, that without the spiritual terms (like K) the mathematics of Academic Science is not self-consistent:

Should be justified within this thread. A poorly written paper on researchgate is not going to fly here. I mean seriously, what kind of proof includes this:

quote:
A. The war with rude opponents, or Love your enemy, says Jesus
Opponent on scientific forum: - Thank you for your research, I laughed at this.
Me: - Why to laugh? Are we in circus?! No. Thus, I ask for huge amount of respect.
Moreover: you are human, I am human. Why am I defected human, but you are not?!

Anyway - you have not presented a compelling argument here. Would you like to try a second time?


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Message 6 of 89 (833000)
05-15-2018 11:49 PM
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YOU WROTE:
Spirituality, and divinity – is what can not be measured by Standard Instruments. For example: your love to mom has no physical temperature, has no physical pressure

I see no reason it cannot be measured in principle. Hormone levels, neuronal excitement levels etc.

Actions of spiritual beings always violate the conservation laws of Nature.
PROOF: spiritual being is not part of Nature.

I don't see why, just because something is not part of nature, it must ALWAYS violate the conservation laws of nature. It could be possible that there any conservation laws that actually apply to both domains.

MY REPLY:
1. The influence on Nature, while you Love your Mom, can be measured (like looking at the photo, where you are giving your mom the flowers, simply count the number and determine the colour of the flowers), but the Love has no Natural Source! Because Love is not Biochemistry of our brain!

2. There are no natural conservation laws in Heaven. Because then there would be just Nature, not the Heaven. But atheism is nihilism. Nihilism is denial of Truth itself. Thus, Nihilism is not True.

3. Please reread the thread, because I have added something about Dark Matter.

Edited by Astronomy, : Added clarification.

Edited by Astronomy, : Improved the point.


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Message 7 of 89 (833001)
05-15-2018 11:54 PM
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05-15-2018 2:48 PM


A Winner!
However, the behaviour of Nature under the influence of spiritual beings is describable by addition several terms (functions and fields) into the equations of Nature. For example, the Newton Second Law a m = F (the m is mass of body, the a is acceleration of body, F is physical force acting on body) can fully describe the levitation and telekinesis by addition of the force-field K (with no natural source). So, a m = F + K.

So, K is a unit-less vector quantity of unknown origin, unknown source. In physics this is called “magic”. Now we can do the experiments to determine some attributes of K.

Problem 1 – Car driving on the road

Measured mass m = 1500 kg (kilograms)
Measured acceleration a = 1.6 m/s2 (meters per second squared)
Measured force F = 2400 N (Newtons)

am=F+K

Substitute the known values in the equation and solve for K:

(1.6 m/s2 )(1500 kg) = 2400 N + K
(1.6 m/s2)(1500 kg) = (2400 kg m / s2) + K
2400 kg m / s2 = (2400 kg m / s2) + K
(2400 kg m / s2) - (2400 kg m / s2) = K
0 = K

Problem 2 – SUV recklessly speeding on the road

Measured mass m = 5000 kg (kilograms)
Measured acceleration a = 8.25 m/s2 (meters per second squared)
Measured force F = 41,250 N (Newtons)

Substitute the known values in the equation and solve for K:

(8.25 m/s2 )(5000 kg) = 41,250 N + K
(8.25 m/s2 )(5000 kg) = (41,250 kg m / s2) + K
41,250 kg m / s2 = (41,250 kg m / s2) + K
(41,250 kg m / s2) - (41,250 kg m / s2) = K
0 = K

Problem 2 – SUV falling over a cliff

Measured mass m = 5000 kg (kilograms)
Measured gravitational acceleration a = 9.81 m/s2 (meters per second squared)
Measured force F = 49,050 N (Newtons)

Substitute the known values in the equation and solve for K:

(9.81 m/s2 )(5000 kg) = 49,050 N + K
(9.81 m/s2 )(5000 kg) = (49,050 kg m / s2) + K
49,050 kg m / s2= (49,050 kg m / s2) + K
(49,050 kg m / s2) - (49,050 kg m / s2) = K
0 = K

Very good, Astronomy! You have just shown that your unit-less vector quantity of unknown origin and unknown source, your K, appears to be a universal constant of value 0. It appears there is no “magic” in this universe.

Congratulations!

I gotta phone this in. Anyone got the area code for Stockholm?


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Message 8 of 89 (833002)
05-16-2018 12:07 AM
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Re: A Winner!
Please be more respective with representative of Academic Science. I am author in Physical Review.
The units of K is Newton: [K]=[N].
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Message 9 of 89 (833004)
05-16-2018 12:38 AM
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Re: A Winner!
The units of K is Newton: [K]=[N].

So now we have:

F + K = m a

(kg m/s2) + (kg m/s2) = kg * m/s2

So you're saying that 2F=ma.

Please be more respective with representative of Academic Science.

Earn it.

and this BS is not the way.


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Message 10 of 89 (833005)
05-16-2018 12:40 AM
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Re: A Winner!
Congratulations!

I gotta phone this in. Anyone got the area code for Stockholm?

I always say the nomination is the prize.


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Re: A Winner!
I do not have to earn respect! I am already author in Physical Review.

The F+K is sum of Physics and Religion.

Edited by Astronomy, : No reason given.


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Message 12 of 89 (833008)
05-16-2018 2:28 AM
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Re: A Winner!
The F+K is sum of Physics and Religion.

And as shown, empirically, K=0. It is nothing. It has no effect.

I do not have to earn respect! I am already author in Physical Review.

"Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind. ”
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Message 13 of 89 (833034)
05-16-2018 10:55 AM
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Re: A Winner!
The F+K is sum of Physics and Religion.

And as shown, empirically, K=0. It is nothing. It has no effect.

The respectful mathematics in the link of the thread (link to researchgate) proves that K is not zero.

Edited by AdminPhat, : fixed broken quote


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Message 14 of 89 (833048)
05-16-2018 12:06 PM
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Re: A Winner!
The respectful mathematics in the link of the thread (link to researchgate) proves that K is not zero.

Your paper is crap.

All the twisted math in the universe of your mind is but bunk when it strains against the reality of repeated verified observation. Self-serving symbol manipulation, no matter how logically presented, does not trump reality.

Your K is 0. Further, it is a conjured fake with no validity in the reality of observation.

Spiritually inspired flat Earth ... my ass.


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Message 15 of 89 (833052)
05-16-2018 12:21 PM
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but the Love has no Natural Source! Because Love is not Biochemistry of our brain!

How did you reach this conclusion?

There are no natural conservation laws in Heaven. Because then there would be just Nature, not the Heaven

There may be conservation laws in Heaven of course, and those laws may be what cause natural conservation laws to exist. You have no way of knowing either way.

Additionally - there can be spiritual existence without Heaven.

3. Please reread the thread, because I have added something about Dark Matter.

I see no evidence that Dark Matter does not have a natural source. Do you have something beyond your assertion on this?


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