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Author Topic:   Hubble's Law Disproves Young Earth Creationism
Calvin
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Message 31 of 36 (833106)
05-17-2018 2:30 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by NoNukes
05-17-2018 2:23 AM


OK, sure. I'll say that it doesn't completely rule out a young universe. But all I said was:

In my opinion, one of the larger pieces of evidence against a young Earth, is Hubble's Law.

And I do still think it is one of the larger pieces of evidence, if not totally conclusive.

Maybe it was the title? How I said it disproves YAC. I still haven't seen a good argument against what I said in the op however.

Edited by Calvin, : No reason given.


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Message 32 of 36 (833126)
05-17-2018 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Calvin
05-15-2018 5:47 PM


Calvin writes:

The conversation would probably move to trying to prove the big bang then, which I think there is plenty of evidence for.

Fair enough.
And I agree


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Message 33 of 36 (833127)
05-17-2018 9:48 AM


If you are going to address Young Earth Creationism it would be a good idea to learn just how absurd the Cult can be. Stop and first look at what the YECs present as support for their fantasy and then see if you can match an old Earth evidence against a specific YEC assertion.

But remember, it will be very much like poking needles into jello. Pull the needle out and the hole gets healed and no sign of any damage done.


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Stile
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Message 34 of 36 (833128)
05-17-2018 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Calvin
05-17-2018 2:30 AM


Calvin writes:

And I do still think it is one of the larger pieces of evidence, if not totally conclusive.

Maybe it was the title? How I said it disproves YAC. I still haven't seen a good argument against what I said in the op however.

I think that the idea you're attempting to convey includes a lot more than the words you wrote in your OP (original/opening post) imply if those words are taken standing alone.

I think that you are absolutely correct about the idea you are attempting to convey... that Hubbles Constant, coupled with the evidence behind the Big Bang Theory and all wrapped inside the current knowledge of astrophysics... all completely destroys and leaves no other possible conclusion than "YEC is false."

However, we've been around these arguments a while
And we understand that you're not likely to get much YEC-response to your post. Possibly because of lack-of-ability to properly deal with your argument, or possibly because of lack-of-YEC-believers-willingness-to-participate at all (maybe even simply because there's not many of them left!)

So, in knowing what your argument was, and also knowing that you weren't likely going to get much of a debate with any actual YECs... we've turned to the next best thing. Dissecting your argument for various reasons...
-out of boredom (with few YECs around, we don't have much else to do... )
-out of a willingness to help you form clear and concise arguments in the future
-out of a desire to point out arguments that contain flaws regardless of them coming from a YEC or "someone we agree with"
-out of knowledge that dealing-with-YECs is not generally a dealing-with-facts sort of argument... therefore, if you're going to use facts, you need to have them "air-tight."
-probably a bunch of other reasons I can't think of

Again, I think that the idea you had in mind certainly does do what you claim it does.
Folks are just pointing out that the words-you-used-to-describe-your-idea didn't include all-the-necessary-parts-of-your-idea in order to form all the connections to the conclusion-you've-claimed.

Granted... perhaps in order to include all-the-necessary-parts-of-your-idea you may need a lot of data and words, and it can seem overwhelming if not generalized and truncated correctly to begin with. But, well, that's all part of forming a good argument that, to me, is best learned by experience.

Anyway... try not to take any of this personally, we can also be a bunch of tools

Have fun!


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Message 35 of 36 (833130)
05-17-2018 10:29 AM
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05-17-2018 9:50 AM


And we understand that you're not likely to get much YEC-response to your post. Possibly because of lack-of-ability to properly deal with your argument, or possibly because of lack-of-YEC-believers-willingness-to-participate at all (maybe even simply because there's not many of them left!)

Not strong enough in my opinion. The number of folks who
1. Accept Creationism
2. Are not utterly clueless with respect to science knowledge
3. Willing to argue about it on the Internet

Has to be a vanishingly small percentage of YEC folk. Most of the folks who could be convinced are not YEC anymore.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


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Message 36 of 36 (833132)
05-17-2018 10:40 AM
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05-17-2018 10:29 AM


NoNukes writes:

Most of the folks who could be convinced are honest are not YEC anymore.

Fixed that for you!


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