Religion or Science - How do they compare?

And I fully support your right to believe what you post. However you are attributing a position to me that I have never espoused. Edited by jar, : added second section.

You called Faith a liar for posting what she believed to be true.

And you are taking things out of context and emulating Faith.I call Faith a liar when she uses willful ignorance as an excuse to believe matters that are factually false and demonstrably false and then assert those beliefs as though they were reality.If she would simply assert they were her beliefs I'd give her the same benefit of the doubt I try to give you; but you guys seem to work very hard to make that difficult.

There is a line between willful ignorance, self-deception, and stupidity, and folks might well disagree regarding how they characterize Faith on a given topic. Your own conclusion is fairly clear, but reasonable minds might well differ.I believe I am slightly slower on the draw than you are, but that still means that I've caught Faith in positions where I believe lying is the appropriate description. I accept that other folks don't reach the same conclusion I do.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

They may be factually and demonstrably false to you but they aren't to her. The foundation for her beliefs are not the same as yours.

Agreed, but that is as I said, irrelevant. Willful ignorance is not a valid excuse.AbE: As I have said, if she would post as her beliefs I don't think anyone would really care; but belief and fact are not synonymous.Edited by jar, : see AbE:

Anybody can author a story. Look at the two examples I gave you.And it doesn't take a "Creator of all seen and unseen" to create things. Any advanced alien civilization could create things that we can't even imagine.As for ex nihilo, that has nothing to do with anything I've said.

Haven't you heard that there are more religious people in prisons?

If somebody is fat, is it rude to call them fat? Maybe. But they have no right to be insulted.

How would you characterize calling somebody a Nazi because they believe that calling for the razing and destroying of the houses of Jews is anti-Semitic? Perhaps you are defending the indefensible.Yeah, some things are rude, but sometimes you reap the insults that you sow.

The Southern Baptist Church is an institution. It is currently the 2nd largest Christian denomination. Secondly in size only to the Catholic Church. The Southern Baptist Church, at the time they split away from the larger body, was not just a local church or a few local churches.Your claim is beyond bizarre. I probably would not stick around after making it either.

Perhaps you are a Liberal Nazi. I already objected myself to Luther's carrying-on about how the Jews should be treated because it's not biblical. And oh how that term Liberal Nazi fits so many of you. No, not "Nazi," LIBERAL Nazi, opposite ideology, same tyrannical controlling oppressive bullying slanderous intimidating threatening squelching judgmental punitive accusatory methodology.Oh and since Phat did away with my last post to you I'll add that you do what the rest of the Liberal Nazis are doing, managing to say I'm saying Catholics aren't Christians when I've over and over and over said that individual Catholics MAY BE Christians, it depends on their focus, but the PAPACY IS ANTICHRIST, the institution of Roman Catholicism is a pagan superstitious antichristian organization that teaches idolatry in the worship of "Mary" and praying to "Mary" and other "saints" (yes I KNOW their stupid rationalization of these things) and having icons in churches, and the use of the rosary that comes from pagan religions, and the crucifix which blasphemously keeps Christ hanging on the cross, and the collecting of relics which is pure superstition, and the selling of indulgences which is still done, which implies anyone can be bought out of hell, or no, out of "purgatory," which is a totally unchristian concept in itself, and the Mass which is a blasphemy, and the saying of masses for the dead which you pay for, and the amassing of huge wealth at the expense of the people, and the Pope himself who usurps the role of the Holy Spirit on earth as the "vicar of Christ," which is practically the definition of "Antichrist" since that word literally means "in the place of Christ." (VICARIVUS FILII DEI is one of his titles and its Roman numerals add up to 666 which is certainly appropriate for a term that means the usurpation of the place of Christ), and the wearing of all that ridiculous fancy garb by him and the priests which comes down from the priesthood of the Roman pantheon of demon gods, and that ridiculous Bishop's hat which comes from the priests of the demon fish god Dagon, and the tiara which is worn by Krishna and other demon gods; besides which Paul says in 1 Cor 2-16 that men are not to cover their heads in the Christian assembly. Oh, and torturing and murdering those who say this isn't Christianity.ALL THAT's what's wrong with Catholicism and it's only part of the list. CATHOLICS, poor things, may or may not be Christians in spite of all that because the gospel IS buried somewhere in all that mess, and some may have the spiritual sense to ignore the mess and focus on Christ instead. They should leave it altogether for the sake of their immortal souls, and anyone who tries to justify that antichrist pagan idolatrous system as "Christian" is sending people to Hell. People can believe whatever they want, but they can't call it Christian when it is anything but.There is no debate here, it's just a place for bashing YECs and calling us by all the PC Liberal Nazi names. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Southern Baptists are big but they aren't all Baptists and I have been talking about the DOCTRINES of Protestantism as compared with those of Romanism, and a denominational split does not reflect overall Protestant doctrines. Follow the argument.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Oh you poor poor thing. I don't know why it is only Christians who are the butt of all this Liberal Nazi accusation of denying people "equality," when until recently most of the world would have thought the idea of gay marriage ridiculous. Marriage is so obviously for the uniting of the two sexes, who together have the power of procreation, the idea of extending it to any other couple just because they want to live together is a trashing of the concept of marriage, reducing it to a sentiment felt by individuals instead of an institution with a fundamentally social meaning.As for the Christian understanding, marriage was ordained by God at the Creation of Adam and Eve, as Jesus Himself quotes, about leaving parents and cleaving to spouse alone, it's about becoming "one flesh" which is demonstrated in the children who are the result of that united flesh of the two sexes which was obviously designed for the purpose of being united. Yes it is biblical, it's not made up. But everything these days is just bleeding heart feelings, society can disintegrate for all liberals care.But you can feel righteous for your twisted idea of equality, while I'm going to have to hear how I'm a bigot and all the rest of the Liberal Nazi arsenal of politically correct character assassination.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

How's about a little note on the topic of this thread, how religion and science compare? Well, science in its best most reliable form, which has developed only quite recently, is designed to discover truths about the physical world in a way that can be verified by others who follow the same procedures for testing it (which can't be said for the historical sciences but that's another subject), while the Bible (not "religion"), God's own revelation to His confused fallen human race, provides us with reliable facts mostly about spiritual things but also a few physical things, that are to be trusted because they come from God.Both are sources of reliable knowledge if rightly understood and followed. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.