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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
It's simpler than that.
Science deals in evidence-based knowledge.Religion is concerned with belief. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Science deals in evidence-based knowledge. Religion is concerned with belief. Yes, and if science rightly handles the evidence so that others can verify it, science is a reliable source of important knowledge about the world. And if belief is rightly invested in the revelation of the true Creator God, that revelation is a reliable source of important knowledge about the world among many other things. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: And if belief is rightly invested in the revelation of the true Creator God, that revelation is a reliable source of important knowledge about the world among many other things. Which true Creator God? Allah? Or one from this partial list of creator Gods.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Southern Baptists are big but they aren't all Baptists and I have been talking about the DOCTRINES of Protestantism I am not required to limit my remarks to your chosen topic. The Southern Baptists are a huge group of Protestants, and as a group they managed to apologize for their racism and support of slavery a mere 23 years ago. I understand that you would want to limit the topic so that evil by Protestants is nonexistent but I am not going to play by those rules. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT
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ramoss Member (Idle past 633 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Why are you repeating lies about Judaism? Have you ever read the talmud, or do you rely on claims other people make?
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Phat Member Posts: 18299 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Of course, if GOD exists, the definition of the true Creator would obviously be the One Who existed before this list was even imagined.
Remember GOD, God, and god? The true one is the one with three capital letters.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Of course, if GOD exists, the definition of the true Creator would obviously be the One Who existed before this list was even imagined. Remember GOD, God, and god? The true one is the one with three capital letters. Unless it was GODs. But how can one such thing be identified. The Great A'Tuin for example can be identified although as expected no one knows what sex the Great A'Tuin might be.
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Phat Member Posts: 18299 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Unless it was GODs. Of course, we are free to speculate on the possibility of dualism, polytheism, or pantheism. Or even atheism. Assuming that evidence is the standard...but what if evidence is impossible to gather? At the end of the day what we have left is MEism. That each one of us is free to imagine any belief or reality that we want. Critics will argue that true Reality can be measured, quantified and replicated objectively and is thus more of a WEism than a MEism. It is easy to believe with verifiable replicable evidence.
But how can one such thing be identified. There is no way that we can know whether or not there are GODs,GOD, or none of the above. The Great A'Tuin, for example, can be identified although as expected no one knows what sex the Great A'Tuin might be. Objectivity and evidence are impossible to provide. Subjectively, we can individually vote on our choice of belief based upon our internal criteria for such acknowledgment. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18299 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
... if science rightly handles the evidence so that others can verify it, science is a reliable source... Science represents a consortium of individuals who have been trained to handle evidence. One could ask what "rightly handling the evidence" means. What are the motives of science in general? Are some scientists biased or are they trained to never be biased?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Subjectively, we can individually vote on our choice of belief based upon our internal criteria for such acknowledgment. Then we cannot present God or god or even GOD as a reality. We can only present something created by man.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Are some scientists biased or are they trained to never be biased? Of course scientists are biased but that is the strength of the Scientific Method. The result of any scientist are considered biased and thus replication by other scientists are a necessary step. It is that assumption that any results reported are wrong and biased until a whole body of other independent groups replicate the results and that even then the results are held only tentatively that separates science from religion.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I am not required to limit my remarks to your chosen topic. The Southern Baptists are a huge group of Protestants, and as a group they managed to apologize for their racism and support of slavery a mere 23 years ago. Of course, you can address any topic you like, but if you make it look like you are addressing my topic it should actually BE my topic.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Science represents a consortium of individuals who have been trained to handle evidence. One could ask what "rightly handling the evidence" means. What are the motives of science in general? Are some scientists biased or are they trained to never be biased? Everybody is biased, everybody makes mistakes, scientists are human. That's the big benefit of the experimental method, to allow many heads to judge a scientific claim. I actually agree with jar about this. As for the Bible, that's why "lone wolves" are discouraged. When only one person reads the Bible and that one point of view is followed by others, cults develop. If many readers are consulted, it is more likely that the best interpretation will be the result. As a proverb in the Bible says, there is safety in many counsellors. Empirical science has the same basic principle. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Of course, you can address any topic you like, but if you make it look like you are addressing my topic it should actually BE my topic. Calling Protestants committing evil off topic does not cover up anything Faith. What I am saying is no more difficult to understand than that. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
jar writes: If faith says "Roman Catholics are not Christians."; then she is lying. Once one's opinions are known it seems pretty common to dispense with prefixes like "I believe" and "I think" and "It is my opinion" and so forth. --Percy
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