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Author Topic:   Christian principles in relation to government
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Message 3 of 84 (833829)
05-27-2018 7:01 AM


So many basic fantasies in the OP.
It's a great subject and I think an important one but perhaps couched poorly.
Christianity has always been a political force as well as a theological path.
There is no such thing as a True Christian and never has been; never will be. The Pope and the Evangelical Fundamentalist are both equally Christians.
Jesus was never a Christian; he was born, lived and died a Jew.
But then the OP falls into a whole series of absolutely silly ass assertions that are total misrepresentations of reality.
Faith writes:
As he said recently, a nation can't be a nation without borders, but the left wants to destroy borders and destroy nations as a result, particularly the United States.
That is a classic example of misrepresentation as well as the basic dishonesty that is the core foundation of Donald Trump. No one on either side of the political spectrum wants to destroy borders or nations. Nor is there any evidence that that is the case.
Faith writes:
And taxes benefitting the rich are for the purpose of increasing the prosperity of the nation.
And there is another utter absurdity that cannot be supported by reason, logic or reality. The concept of the prosperity of the nation is another of those meaningless bumper sticker disconnected from reality dogmatic slogan so beloved by many. It is irrelevant whether or not the nation is prosperous; what is relevant is whether or not the individuals living in the nation have food, clothing, shelter, safety, health care.

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Message 7 of 84 (833837)
05-27-2018 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Phat
05-27-2018 11:10 AM


Re: Lets frame this topic
Phat writes:
1) What do you personally see as Trumps greatest contributions towards protecting the United Staes from globalism? Is globalism inevitable eventually?(Revelation speaks of a one world government)
What is Globalism?
Phat writes:
2) What doctrines and/or beliefs of the Left challenge Christianity?
HUH? Christians cannot be liberals? Wasn't there someone who said we should feed the hungry, clothe the naked, protect the weak, comfort the sorrowful, heal the sick ...?

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jar
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Message 10 of 84 (833841)
05-27-2018 11:33 AM
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05-27-2018 11:16 AM


Re: So many basic fantasies in the OP.
Phat writes:
based on that logic, anyone throwing a frisbee or playing softball on the weekend qualifies as an athlete simply because they say they are. The fact is that an athlete must train and discipline themselves to earn the title. Same with Christians. The controversy is as to whether one can simply claim the title or whether they must actually earn it.
Bullshit Phat, total Bullshit.
It is not a matter of claiming a title in my case although that is the norm in the Christian Cult of Ignorance. When you are officially received and enrolled into a recognized chapter of a recognized organization and maintained on the membership roles, you are not simply declaring oneself to earn the title.
That ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is what the Christian Cult of Ignorance does. They proclaim themselves as Christians.
Phat writes:
You have read the Bible, so that scores points, but you also publically have no prayer life apart from ritual, and no discipline apart from doing for the least of these, which also scores points. That and you belong to a club and thus have the credentials.
Too funny Phat.
quote:
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Prayer is not something that is said or proclaimed but rather lived.
Phat writes:
My point is that there are many who claim the title of Christian (as did Adolph Hitler) but the evidence shows that they are undisciplined, do not pray or rarely acknowledge God, and use the title to further their own agenda.
But Hitler WAS a Christian.

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Message 12 of 84 (833843)
05-27-2018 11:40 AM
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05-27-2018 11:21 AM


Re: Lets frame this topic
Phat writes:
Also Trump is more of a nationalist, IIRC.
Trump is more a Fascist.
Are you really totally blind to what happens here in the US?
quote:
Donald Trump now says he wants to save jobs in China. Today, the president tweeted - President Xi of China and I are working together to give massive Chinese phone company ZTE a way to get back into business fast. President Trump goes on to tweet - too many jobs in China lost. Commerce Department has been instructed to get it done.
source
Trump Administration had just placed sanctions on ZTE because ZTE had been making illegal shipments to Iran and North Korea. Then Trump turns around and lifts those sanctions to save Chinese jobs.
Reality Phat.
Now once again. What is globalism?

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Message 22 of 84 (833891)
05-27-2018 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Capt Stormfield
05-27-2018 6:23 PM


Re: Let's keep the topic general
As well as creating medicare and medicaid and making it possible for women to go out without wearing a hat and gloves and for black folk to drink at the fountain and eat at the counter and ride in the front of the bus and not have to step off the sidewalk to make way for white folk and ...
you know. All those things the liberal Nazis did to folk.

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Message 32 of 84 (833921)
05-28-2018 10:27 AM
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05-28-2018 10:01 AM


Re: So many basic fantasies in the OP.
Phat writes:
But wouldn't logic suggest that in order to provide all of those essentials, individuals would have to be somewhat prosperous in order to share? You cant expect a poor man to give his last two mites to feed another poor family.
What does that have to do with what I posted and what you quoted.

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jar
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Message 34 of 84 (833925)
05-28-2018 11:07 AM
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05-28-2018 10:38 AM


Re: So many basic fantasies in the OP.
Phat writes:
Will current administrative policies help national prosperity? Why or why not and why do you think national prosperity is a "bumper sticker" slogan?
If Christian principles include helping the poor while I myself am poor, I might have been so inclined to elect a leader who would make my wallet great again.
You still have not explained what "National Prosperity" means Phat.
The US is without a doubt a wealthy nation. here is empty space and wind and oil and timber and minerals and coal and hydroelectric sources for poser.
But what does that mean to YOU?
If someone comes in you store and says "The Nation is Prosperous" when you ask for payment does that count? Or do you prefer that you get money?
It is what the wealth provides that is important not how much wealth there is. If all the wealth goes to corporations who then move the money out of the US, will that help you?
If (as it seems to be in the US) that more and more of the wealth is gathered into fewer and fewer hands, will that help you?
If the Supreme Court extends the recent decision banning the right of individuals to create a class action lawsuit and instead submit to individual arbitration gets extended to cover the right of workers to band together to bargain as a class, will that help you?
"National Prosperity" just like "A living Jesus" simply fits on a bumper sticker but means whatever the reader wants it to mean.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

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jar
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Message 38 of 84 (833931)
05-28-2018 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Phat
05-28-2018 11:33 AM


Re: So many basic fantasies in the OP.
You seemed to have skipped over this:
quote:
If the Supreme Court extends the recent decision banning the right of individuals to create a class action lawsuit and instead submit to individual arbitration gets extended to cover the right of workers to band together to bargain as a class, will that help you?
You are following the recent SCOTUS rulings I imagine?

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Message 57 of 84 (833975)
05-28-2018 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by NoNukes
05-28-2018 4:53 PM


And they aren't Christians, they are Roman Catholics.

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Message 72 of 84 (834012)
05-29-2018 7:31 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by NoNukes
05-28-2018 11:57 PM


on the character of il Donald
NoNukes writes:
Trump is either a liar or an idiot.
That seems a false dichotomy. The evidence seems to show he is an idiot and a liar and a boor and a fascist with none of Mussolini's graces.

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Message 73 of 84 (834013)
05-29-2018 7:34 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Tangle
05-29-2018 5:02 AM


Ever hear of Alternative Facts?

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Message 75 of 84 (834015)
05-29-2018 8:38 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Tangle
05-29-2018 8:28 AM


true not alternative fact
quote:
I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.
The really sad thing is that is an accurate analysis of his support base.

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Message 77 of 84 (834019)
05-29-2018 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by Faith
05-29-2018 10:49 AM


the Trump support base.
quote:
I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.
The really sad thing is that is an accurate analysis of his support base.

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